Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 19-03-2015, 07:01   #1
Registered User
 
fishbait58's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Pass Christian, MS
Boat: Conyplex, Contest, 48'
Posts: 55
Purchasing boat with broken mast

I'm looking to purchase a Morgan 382 that the mast has been demasted due to hitting a bridge. The deck also a soft spot of about 2x3ft on the topside. Can someone help me what questions to ask and what other things to look for? Any idea what ballpark price the cost of repairs might be if we did most of the work ourselves? I would love to have an idea before wasting the person's time but would love to have a morgan 382. I'm not afraid of hard work and learning to do new things. Yes, we are greenhorns but what better way to learn the inside and outs of a boat by repairing her back to a good condition. Thanks ahead of time of anyone's helpful insight and advice.




Sent from my iPhone using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________

__________________
fishbait58 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2015, 13:30   #2
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: May 2012
Location: New Orleans
Boat: We have a problem... A serious addiction issue.
Posts: 3,940
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

Do you still have the pieces of the broken mast? A new one will likely run north of $30,000. The deck is an issue and needs to be adressed, but the mast is the real issue.
__________________

__________________
Greg

- If animals weren't meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be made of food.
Stumble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2015, 13:40   #3
Registered User
 
Island Time O25's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 2,016
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

A used mast with rigging will run you well under $5K if you shop around but may be as much to transport unless you find one nearby. Doesn't make any economic sense to be getting a new mast and rigging on an old Morgan. It would be much cheaper to get one in decent shape to begin with.
__________________
Island Time O25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2015, 13:44   #4
Registered User
 
SVTatia's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Toronto, Canada
Boat: Luders 33 - hull 23
Posts: 815
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

Are you buying from the owner? I am wondering because there had to be insurance company involvement in the accident.

To the original question: The mast and rigging will set you back about the amount mentioned by Stumble. The thing is, it will not stop there. You will need a survey to determine if there was no other structural damage such as chainplates, etc. You definitely need to know everything that needs to be fixed before you commit yourself. The soft deck can be DIY repaired without any problems, but structural damages are expensive to correct.
__________________
SVTatia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2015, 14:22   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 8
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

Sounds like you need to thoroughly go over the entire deck. Inspect everywhere the mast was.(mast steps/ keel steps). Spray the deck with a hose while someone stands inside to spot leaks. I would just ask The current owner a ton of questions about the actual indecent. As for fixing it yourself. You will have to do quite a bit of research depending on your experience. 2'x3' is a rather large area. IMO by the time you do the research you will have a better idea of the cost of materials. If it were a flush 2'x3' hole that you needed to glass and paint you could prob get it done somewhere under 3-400$. Roughly estimated the mast and deck could be thousands each depending on what it needs and how you would like it set up for the future.Then there's everything else on the boat. If your set on getting a Morgan there are quite a few fixer uppers out there that just need a loving home.
__________________
DeepInIt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2015, 14:31   #6
Registered User
 
autumnbreeze27's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Cruising Mexico
Boat: 50' Herreshoff Ketch
Posts: 967
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

It doesn't sound like you have enough experience to buy a boat with a broken mast. Checking yachtworld, a used Morgan 382 goes for $30k-$40k. Personally I'd think a boat in that price range without a mast should be free, as you will likely spend $30k just to re-rig the boat.

If you want to become a sailor, buy a boat that doesn't need this much work. This is the kind of boat somebody who likes to work on boats buys.

That boat will end up costing you way more than you can ever hope to get out of it, and if you took that bucket of money and put it towards another boat (with a mast) you'd be much better off. That's probably what the current owner is thinking.

You're also much better off buying a boat from somebody that has enough seamanship to not run into a bridge. I'd bet besides the broken mast and soft deck there are a ton of other issues with that boat as well.

Almost all boats in that price range will need work, you're much better off starting with little projects than something this major.
__________________
autumnbreeze27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2015, 19:04   #7
cruiser

Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumble View Post
A new one will likely run north of $30,000.
Did anyone else think it was ironic someone with the word attorney in his signature quoted 6x the price of the other guy's $5k price.
__________________
r0ach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2015, 19:17   #8
cpa
Registered User
 
cpa's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Florida
Boat: Compass 47
Posts: 596
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

I replaced the mast on my old S&S34 tall rig. I went with a new Selden double spreader (upgrade from single) with new boom, solid vang, all new standing and running rigging for $12k. This was in 2004. I am sure the Morgan mast is going to be a larger section and taller.
__________________
cpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2015, 21:54   #9
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: May 2012
Location: New Orleans
Boat: We have a problem... A serious addiction issue.
Posts: 3,940
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

Quote:
Originally Posted by r0ach View Post
Did anyone else think it was ironic someone with the word attorney in his signature quoted 6x the price of the other guy's $5k price.
New versus used pricing.
__________________
Greg

- If animals weren't meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be made of food.
Stumble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2015, 22:19   #10
Registered User
 
Island Time O25's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 2,016
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumble View Post
New versus used pricing.
And my $5K estimate was very liberal. Most likely around $1.5-2K plus the cost of a haul.

One other thing. Why in the world would you get a new mast for a 30+ year old Morgan? This type of thinking is exactly what scares the newbies from joining boat owners' club. And yes, someone said it right that such a mastless boat should be a freebie. And if the seller has no idea how to replace a broken mast with a used one for under a few $Ks there are probably a lot of other issues than the mast and the 2'X3" spot of soft deck. What else did the seller not fix because he considered it "too expensive" to fix?
__________________
Island Time O25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2015, 22:21   #11
Senior Cruiser
 
skipmac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29 49.16 N 82 25.82 W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 12,368
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumble View Post
New versus used pricing.
And that new price you suggested was in line with what other members have reported paying for a new mast.
__________________
The water is always bluer on the other side of the ocean.
skipmac is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2015, 07:18   #12
Registered User
 
SVTatia's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Toronto, Canada
Boat: Luders 33 - hull 23
Posts: 815
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

Quote:
Originally Posted by Island Time O25 View Post
And my $5K estimate was very liberal. Most likely around $1.5-2K plus the cost of a haul....
A 46' mast and rigging for under $2K? Where in the world do you live?
__________________
SVTatia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2015, 10:10   #13
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: May 2012
Location: New Orleans
Boat: We have a problem... A serious addiction issue.
Posts: 3,940
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

Quote:
Originally Posted by SVTatia View Post
A 46' mast and rigging for under $2K? Where in the world do you live?
If you can find a used mast, with the same profile, and dimensions i couldbelieve $5,000. Heck I could believe a lot less. Scrap value for aluminium is around $1/lb, so for a breaker yard selling for anything more than scrap price is a win.

But finding a used mast isn't all that easy. Maybe if you live in south Florida at a boatyard that breaks post hurricane boats there would be some sort of selection, but otherwise I doubt it. I have had to replace two masts for relatively large one design boats, and couldn't find a used one anywhere. Despite some's beliefs I just don't think it is a reasonable plan. But sure it's worth looking, you might get lucky.
__________________
Greg

- If animals weren't meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be made of food.
Stumble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2015, 10:18   #14
Registered User
 
fishbait58's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Pass Christian, MS
Boat: Conyplex, Contest, 48'
Posts: 55
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

The boat does come with a new mast and the original mast and rigging. Here is a copy of the info that I have:

"Vessel is a Morgan 38 Sailboat - Model 382 from 1980

I am selling this project boat for a friend. The mast broke (previous owner hit a bridge) and a spare mast does come with the boat to re-mast her. All Standing rigging and original boom is included. The boat has new(er) chain plates. Not sure if they were replaced after the mishap but they look strong and new.

Main cockpit winches are now included. Now found!!!

She really needs someone who has the time to put into her. Wood and materials won't cost much but the labor is what is required to bring her back.

I just ran the engine a Perkins 4108 and installed 2x New Marine Grp27 batteries also.
Engine looks like it needs a new impeller and probably a reconditioned water pump">Raw water pump (as its dripping water) A good service with all filters and check over is required.

Wheel steering and a very solid boat. New Chain plates recently installed. She has a good working windlass on the bow and is a very desirable boat that is well capable of offshore cruising.

She has had some water damage to her flooring - sole and interior but it remains solid. The ceiling panels need to be replaced too. The last owner had a 1/4" veneer of Teak and Holly plywood installed over the floor and its a bit springy but the actual floor underneath seems good.

She has a soft spot on the deck but is in an easy place to repair. Approx 3'x2' amidships on port deck."

If we think the boat is worth the $5,000, we would definitely get a survey to hopefully find out if there are any other hidden problems but would like to not spend the money on a survey if the cost is more than $15,000 to fix her up. Thanks.


Sent from my iPhone using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
fishbait58 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2015, 10:40   #15
Registered User
 
Island Time O25's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 2,016
Re: Purchasing boat with broken mast

Quote:
Originally Posted by SVTatia View Post
A 46' mast and rigging for under $2K? Where in the world do you live?
I live in the world where used masts are bargained for $1,500-2,000, often including booms and all standing rigging. Last time I was offered a mast for that price was few years ago (2012?) in RI at some guy's backyard which looked like a boat junk yard. I came to see a stern arch and some other hardware he had advertised on c-list and saw a bunch of masts and booms, some definitely at least 50' and the guy started offering booms between $300 and $500 and masts between $1,500 and $2,000. It would have cost another $300-500 to haul it to where my friend's boat was. The seller said that for $2,000 flat he will deliver mast, boom and rigging within 100 miles. Had I known of this forum back then I would have bought it right there and then and resold it here for a quick profit.
__________________

__________________
Island Time O25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
mast, purchasing

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Through Hull-Valve Broken or Not-Broken? Jado27 Monohull Sailboats 15 16-03-2016 07:14
Broken Mast ! Is it Possible to Find One without Going Bankrupt ? jonasfish Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 6 23-11-2015 11:26
Broken Mast - How Can I Repair ? ronnmexico Construction, Maintenance & Refit 25 30-11-2010 16:45
Broken Mast Step GorillaToast Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 6 25-09-2010 18:54
Broken Mast kirby Monohull Sailboats 10 22-09-2005 18:02



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 19:37.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.