Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 15-07-2016, 12:14   #136
Registered User
 
brownoarsman's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Round Bay, Severn River
Boat: Pearson 28-1
Posts: 1,159
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

17" of travel is quite a lot; good find! I dunk my lower unit often as well. It doesn't seem to mind

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________

__________________
brownoarsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-07-2016, 14:25   #137
Moderator
 
Don C L's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Channel Islands, CA
Boat: 1962 Columbia 29 MK 1 #37
Posts: 3,279
Images: 27
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

Quote:
Originally Posted by DawnTreader View Post
brownoarsman, We use a standard spring style adjustable mount made by Garhauer for Catalinas. I believe it has 17" maximum vertical travel which is the most we could find. The mounts are not on their website but can be still be purchased if you call them. Unless there is some wave action, we don't deploy the mount fully down, but instead to it's intermediate position which I think is 13" down.
Any idea how much weight/hp that Garhauer mount is built for? I am tempted to give them a call though mine is still fine...
__________________

__________________
DL
Pythagoras
1962 Columbia 29 MKI #37
Don C L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-07-2016, 04:16   #138
Registered User
 
DawnTreader's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Boat: Allied Seawind 30
Posts: 52
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

Hi DonCL,

I am not sure there max rating. You can get the mount with 1-4 springs depending on the weight of the engine. The mount seems well built with all stainless steel components. It is pricey, but I think it may be less than the most expensive garelicks.

Brian
__________________
DawnTreader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-07-2016, 19:16   #139
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 14
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

This has been a great thread and is very pertinent to the needs of alot of sailors. I don't have 10 grand for a new diesel in addition to the other projects I have on her and was ready to proceed with mounting a longshaft 20hp Merc of 90's vintage on the transom of my Bristol 40 yawl because the diesel is fried...and I want to focus on going engineless alot more than I have in the past anyway...I think even a boat of this size is a candidate for an outboard because she's rather "petite" for a 40 and I think an outboard well could be a good solution which could also solve the issues I have with the quite long,but narrow cockpit. I think I could lessen the tremendous cockpit volume of this boat by making an outboard well of sorts with a"lid" that could hold something light like life-jackets, revealing the well...but I may have to live with just a stern-hung O/b...which although it has the requisite down-sides of an o/b...at least I can hoist it off the stern with a block/tackle from the mizzen relatively easily when not in use..Just some thoughts...and again...a very interesting thread to many of us I think...
b.t.w.- if u are a sailor who likes to think "out-of-the-box" and havent visited this salty sailor blog : ChrisMorejohn@blogspot.com is a fountain of great ideas for many of us....and I highly recommend checking it out...
__________________
souljour2000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-07-2016, 19:43   #140
Registered User
 
haiqu's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Somewhere on Australia's east coast.
Boat: 'Keppelena' Hartley Queenslander 33'
Posts: 465
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

I have a 6 tonne, 27' ferro and use a 6hp Mercury 2-stroke extra long shaft currently. It drinks about 2.3L per hour and averages 3kt. It's workable in protected environments like a bay or a river but for reasons already mentioned by others I'm looking to fit a diesel. It was pulled out by a previous owner but the driveshaft and prop are still there.

For the kind of sailing you intend to be doing I'd go diesel. Unfortunately they're not cheap, even in well-used condition.
__________________
http://www.cruiserswiki.org - Moderator

"The cure for anything is salt water... sweat, tears, or the sea" -- Isak Dinesen
haiqu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2016, 08:52   #141
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 814
Images: 1
Yeah Yanmar - Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

Quote:
Originally Posted by hamburking View Post
Compare that to a yanmar 2gm which uses about 1 litre per hour. The outboard is using 10 times the amount of fuel per hour. The yanmar 2gm replaced the 30hp atomic 4 on many sailboats. Also, a 30hp outboard is going to be a LOT of weight (and forces) on the transom.
My boat came with an 25yr old, 3G Yanmar, 27 hp, and I love it. Had some issues at first with gunk in the fuel tank, but once we cleared that up, she has started and run without a hitch. Burns only about a litre per hour at 1500 rpms, a bit more at 2000 or so.

Lots of these around also, so it is not too hard to find parts or some old hand to who knows them well - an especially nice feature if, like me, you are somewhat mechanically challenged.

G2L
__________________
Gone2long is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2016, 09:04   #142
Registered User
 
Steady Hand's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Crewing All of 2017 Available Globally
Boat: OPB = Crewing in 2017
Posts: 4,257
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

Quote:
Originally Posted by souljour2000 View Post
This has been a great thread and is very pertinent to the needs of alot of sailors. I don't have 10 grand for a new diesel in addition to the other projects I have on her and was ready to proceed with mounting a longshaft 20hp Merc of 90's vintage on the transom of my Bristol 40 yawl because the diesel is fried...and I want to focus on going engineless alot more than I have in the past anyway...I think even a boat of this size is a candidate for an outboard because she's rather "petite" for a 40 and I think an outboard well could be a good solution which could also solve the issues I have with the quite long,but narrow cockpit. I think I could lessen the tremendous cockpit volume of this boat by making an outboard well of sorts with a"lid" that could hold something light like life-jackets, revealing the well...but I may have to live with just a stern-hung O/b...which although it has the requisite down-sides of an o/b...at least I can hoist it off the stern with a block/tackle from the mizzen relatively easily when not in use..Just some thoughts...and again...a very interesting thread to many of us I think...
b.t.w.- if u are a sailor who likes to think "out-of-the-box" and havent visited this salty sailor blog : ChrisMorejohn@blogspot.com is a fountain of great ideas for many of us....and I highly recommend checking it out...
FYI:. The link you posted above is an email address.
__________________
Ahoy All Sailors! Need experienced crew for a passage or delivery in Atlantic, Pacific, Caribbean, PNW, ICW, coastal or across an ocean anytime in 2017? I am available on 24hr notice. See my CF Profile "About Me" page for details. Happy to lend a hand!
Steady Hand is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2016, 09:13   #143
cruiser

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Easton, MD
Boat: Catalina 22 Capri
Posts: 929
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

A diesel is about 30 to 35% more fuel efficient than a four stroke outboard. A four stroke outboard is about 15 or 20% more efficient than a two stroke outboard at cruise speed. At idle the four stroke outboard is waaaaaaaay more efficient than the two stroke. Differences in prop efficiency can also make a difference.

My Capri 22 got 17 mpg with a 3.5 HP two stroke at 4.5 kts. It gets 20 mpg with a 4 HP Tohatsu four stroke at 4.5 kts. These are real measured numbers, not guesses.
The 4 HP will push it into strong wind and waves but the 3.5 HP would not. High thrust prop on the 4 HP makes a big difference.

Either outboard would push the boat to 5.5 kts. Hull speed is 6 kts.
__________________
kmacdonald is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2016, 09:49   #144
Registered User
 
brownoarsman's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Round Bay, Severn River
Boat: Pearson 28-1
Posts: 1,159
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

Edit: whoops, wrong thread!

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
brownoarsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2016, 07:58   #145
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 10
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lepke View Post
Outboards use lots of fuel. I'm 67 and been on the water since 7. In all that time except for diesel versions, I've never seen a reliable outboard.
My 8HP 4 stroke uses about 1 gallon every 4 hours pushing my 23 Oday along at 5kts.
Electric start
Quiet - keeps cabin quiet even when motoring
Alternator - charges battery
Fuel efficient - keep fuel, smells and noise out of cabin
Engine tiller makes docking a breeze

Worst case, an engine fire is OUTBOARD of the vessel
__________________
Cujo665 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2016, 08:03   #146
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 10
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

Quote:
Originally Posted by kmacdonald View Post
A diesel is about 30 to 35% more fuel efficient than a four stroke outboard. A four stroke outboard is about 15 or 20% more efficient than a two stroke outboard at cruise speed. At idle the four stroke outboard is waaaaaaaay more efficient than the two stroke. Differences in prop efficiency can also make a difference.

My Capri 22 got 17 mpg with a 3.5 HP two stroke at 4.5 kts. It gets 20 mpg with a 4 HP Tohatsu four stroke at 4.5 kts. These are real measured numbers, not guesses.
The 4 HP will push it into strong wind and waves but the 3.5 HP would not. High thrust prop on the 4 HP makes a big difference.

Either outboard would push the boat to 5.5 kts. Hull speed is 6 kts.
Sounds accurate
I have the 8HP 4 stroke Tohatsu on my 23 Oday. I came up with 4 hours per gallon at 5kts. This is just barely above idle and matches your 20 mile finding
__________________
Cujo665 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2016, 08:12   #147
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: fl- various marinas
Boat: morgan O/I 33' sloop
Posts: 802
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
My 8.9HP 4 stroke uses about 1 gallon every 4 hours pushing my 23 Oday along at 5kts.
Electric start
Quiet - keeps cabin quiet even when motoring
Alternator - charges battery
Fuel efficient - keep fuel, smells and noise out of cabin
Engine tiller makes docking a breeze

Worst case, an engine fire is OUTBOARD of the vessel
Perhaps I'm biased but I find describing an Oday 23 as a 'blue water cruiser' ridiculous.
__________________
Dave22q is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2016, 08:21   #148
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 10
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave22q View Post
Perhaps I'm biased but I find describing an Oday 23 as a 'blue water cruiser' ridiculous.
Guess you haven't sailed in too many Nor'easters then.......
__________________
Cujo665 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2016, 11:48   #149
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 10
Re: Pro/Con of outboard for blue water cruising

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave22q View Post
Perhaps I'm biased but I find describing an Oday 23 as a 'blue water cruiser' ridiculous.
It's more about the skipper anyway....
__________________

__________________
Cujo665 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cruising, outboard, water

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pro's and Con's of storage on the hard Gulfislander Anchoring & Mooring 18 09-10-2012 02:47
Single vs Dual Wheel. Pro vs Con? dgasmd Seamanship & Boat Handling 18 20-06-2012 04:19
Boat Mortgage Pro's & Con's? Deep-sea-Lee Dollars & Cents 4 21-04-2011 08:54
Swim Platform - Pro & Con vldevin Monohull Sailboats 19 23-08-2009 17:05
Twin keel v Fin keel, pro's n con's ? Davegw Monohull Sailboats 6 12-02-2009 02:08


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 18:14.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.