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Old 16-12-2008, 23:30   #76
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Not sure if this worked or not from last summer by Vancouver Island
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Old 16-12-2008, 23:42   #77
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I think we have returned to the "Is it a thick soup or a stew?" argument.
I prefer to think of mine as a bisque... ie full of crustaceans..
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OHHHH BUIZEN! Good God they are sweet!
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To thicken the stew or soup pot. Would anyone have any input on the Nauticat 33. Appears to be a worthy pocket motor sailer.

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Old 17-12-2008, 12:08   #81
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the true difference between a Pilot House and Motor Sailor?
Motor Sailor (in this part of the world) is really an old fashioned term, well from 30 odd years ago. Dates back from when most sailing boats had engines designed to be only used as auxilliaries and not to drive the boat at hull speed on passages - due to small engine size and low power. Engines were not as compact as nowadays / sailing boats not really designed around having an engine - well, not a powerful one (which back then equalled large and heavy in size!).

Motor Sailer essentially meant a sailing boat that could undertake passages under power at hull speed, including in adverse weather by having a large and heavy enough engine. The trade off to being able to carry a large and powerful enough motor was a design that meant less than optimum sailing performance. and the designed balance between sail and power on a Motor Sailer varied enourmously from 80 Sail / 20 Power to 50/50 to 20 / 80 ......depending on the market the builder was targetting.

Sailing from inside was more of a later invention. A Wheelhouse or simple hard shelter originally as an addition to a Motorsailer........but as engines became lighter and smaller (for the same power) from being more Marine designed and less marinised truck the trade off from sailing ability to acheive hull speed under power on passage became less........with "Pilothouse" being the name adopted to distance from the more "old fashioned" sounding Motor Sailer, which by then also meant "sailed more slowly" (fairly or not. I think mostly fairly!). And I guess "Pilothouse" means more likley to be sailed from inside whearas the MotorSailer was perhaps more about being motored from inside (if it had an inside to steer from!).

My 30' Seadog was sold as a "Motor Sailer" (I prefer the term "Gentleman's Yacht" )......and she does not have an inside steering position (albeit a Non-yachty fixed windscreen and a bulkhead helm).......30 years ago was hard to fit a Perkins 4107 into a more pure sailing sailing yacht. And I suspect the buyers back then would simply not have wanted an engine that size....for a yacht.
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Am I the only guy here that looks at all these big windows and thinks: Hmmm?
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Old 17-12-2008, 14:57   #84
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OH MY GOD LANCER! Your boom fell off! Nice pics!
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no, you are not. My big window is just a windshield, in the cockpit, not the main cabin.
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Old 18-12-2008, 00:40   #86
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I also look at the big windows but then I look at the manufacture date and think....well..its lasted 10 years, or 20 years, or 30 years....know your boats limits!
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Am I the only guy here that looks at all these big windows and thinks: Hmmm?
Having been a commercial fisherman for 20+ yrs I know of lots of small boats that spend a lot of time at sea in rough conditions with small windows, the only ones that have blown windows have usually been because of Skippers driving them too hard, Our Nauticat 44 has toughened safety glass and we carry blanking boards for 1/2 the windows, but we have just done a three year loop of the Tasman Sea, incl Circumnavigation of Tasmania, South Island NZ inc Fiordland and Stewart Island and have never come close to feeling like our windows were at risk, I love it when supposed Old Salts stand at the wharf and go "I dont know about those windows", Yet we are doing it and they're still standing on the wharf thinking about
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They are a concern and you should have boards just in case, but instances where they have been a problem are rare (from my research). The PO of my boat left the PNW and went all over the Pacific and then back to the PNW, suffered through some tremendous storms where almost everything broke (except the Monitor vane) and never had a problem with the windows. That's not to say they couldn't be a problem although there are other things I worry about a lot more (rigging failures of all kinds, hitting things or being hit, injuries, etc.).

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I agree Christian, Love those buizen yachts!!! thanks again everyone for your input!! Keep them coming
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