Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 12-02-2014, 08:19   #16
Registered User

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Toronto
Boat: Sandpiper 565
Posts: 2,942
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

Quote:
Originally Posted by robert sailor View Post
I don't entirely disagree with Sealubber as the best boats Canada produced are over 20 years old. Past that time period Canada built some wonderful sailboats and the list is a long one.
There's your answer right there. What production sailboats have been built in Canada within the last 20 years?

(My friend Dave at CL Boatworks makes some nice solid little sailing dinghies in Canada. Damn things last too long, though, so the 'new' market remains soft)

All the CS boats I've seen are solid and loved by their owners. When I was working for a mechanic, the 30 or 32 ft CS's had really poor access to the stuffing box and coupling, requiring me to be stuck upside down in a cockpit locker trying to work... misery. Don't know if the 36+ boats are like that.
__________________

__________________
Lake-Effect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2014, 10:57   #17
CF Adviser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Wherever our boat is; Playa Zaragoza, Isla Margarita
Boat: 1994 Solaris Sunstream 40
Posts: 2,439
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

To my knowledge, the last cruising sailboats/motorsailors produced in Canada were the catamarans from PDQ (reputation for great quality), the cutters from Gozzard (ditto) the motorsailors from Bruckmann (ditto, ditto) and the Kanter yachts in aluminum (again, fantastic quality).

Brad
__________________

__________________
Southern Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2014, 19:47   #18
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: seattle
Boat: Devlin 48 Moon River,j/100 BJ
Posts: 586
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

Back to the CS boats. I looked at one several years ago and did not buy. There was a crack in FG floor at galley turned out with research due to a previous grounding there was probably deeper damage which I did not stick around long enough to ferret out. Also there were cracks in the top of the plastic water tanks. Aside from those faults a nice boat.
__________________
eyschulman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2014, 20:00   #19
Registered User
 
Nicholson58's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Live aboard
Boat: Camper & Nicholson58 Ketch - ROXY Traverse City, Michigan No.668283
Posts: 3,466
Images: 83
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

Quote:
Originally Posted by JulieMac View Post
We've been in the market for a 38-42' coastal cruiser for the last year.

Last summer we looked at a number of late 80's Ericson 38's and some early 80's Sabre's and Tartans. The Ericson 38 we wanted to make an offer on was sold a few days after we saw the boat.

I spotted a late 80's Canadian Sailcraft CS-40, designed by Tony Castro. It's local to us, here in the Great Lakes, and needs no shipping-a big plus.

Does anyone have any experience with this particular model? It's similar to the CS 38 Merlin, only bigger. This particular one is a 5' shoal draft model. Wing keel and deep keel models are available for sale on the east coast, but that defeats the purpose of buying a local, fresh water boat.

We'll initially use the boat in Lake Michigan, with the goal to end up in Florida or the Bahamas when we retire. (probably not as liveaboards)

Opinions, anyone?
I just posted this on another thread:


Call/check the brokerage at Torresen Marine in Muskegon Michigan. Lots of gently used freshwater boats. This is the case all over the Great Lakes. We sail in nice weather 3 months per year, no salt, no sea critters.

Note - there is a CAL40 on the list - one of my favorites of all time.

The Sailboat Specialists Since 1965 | Torresen Marine

Torresen Marine, Inc. - The Sailboat Specialists (Muskegon, MI)
__________________
Nicholson58 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2014, 20:26   #20
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,040
Images: 1
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

I have sailed a CS 40. It was a nice boat. I loved the galley; that really matters to me. Good coastal cruiser.
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2014, 21:38   #21
Registered User
 
JulieMac's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 130
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
I have sailed a CS 40. It was a nice boat. I loved the galley; that really matters to me. Good coastal cruiser.

Did the boat you sail have a deep, shoal or wing keel? Just curious about the pointing ability and other aspects of the boat you liked, or felt could be improved.
__________________
JulieMac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2014, 21:41   #22
Registered User
 
JulieMac's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 130
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasco View Post
CS 40 is a nice boat. Not many built. There is no CS38, you must mean the CS36 Merlin. Both are Tony Castro designs. Solid glass hull below the waterline. Vacuum bagged above. It would be a great boat for Bahamas. Hardware is all quality. They changed the configuration a bit from the first one that had a sink in the aft cabin. The first one was owned by Hans Fogh. Check out the CS owners site on Yahoo for more info.
Thanks, Rick. Is your Merlin a deep keel, wing or shoal draft? I wouldn't mind having the shallow keel for exploring more areas, but am afraid of giving up pointing ability and VMG.
__________________
JulieMac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2014, 21:48   #23
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,945
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

You can't have it both ways. Nothing will go upwind like a deep keel but a well designed shallow keel will do a pretty good job. Offshore a deep keel is not as advantages as many think because with larger seas you want to foot off anyways.
__________________
robert sailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2014, 17:23   #24
Senior Cruiser
 
Vasco's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Boat: CS36Merlin, "La Belle Aurore" Ben393 "Breathless"
Posts: 7,138
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

Quote:
Originally Posted by JulieMac View Post
Thanks, Rick. Is your Merlin a deep keel, wing or shoal draft? I wouldn't mind having the shallow keel for exploring more areas, but am afraid of giving up pointing ability and VMG.

My Merlin has the patented Hydrokeel which is a wing. About 5"03". The rudder is the same depth! Been aground many times. no problem wiggle off backwards.
__________________
Rick I
Toronto in summer, Bahamas in winter.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beneteau393/
Vasco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2014, 21:57   #25
Registered User
 
mikefossl's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Hawaii
Boat: CS 40
Posts: 171
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

We have sailed our CS40 across the Pacific from Mexico to Japan and now halfway back to Hawaii. Never had a cause for concern with the design. Ours is a deep keel, tall mast version and has maintained a 6 knot average speed on all our long passages despite being weighed down by all of our cruising gear.

I've found that the anchor locker did leak through some incomplete fiber-glassing in the top corners. This would typically occur when going to weather in a big sea. I glassed over the corners from the inside and made a plug for the anchor opening and that problem has gone away.

The bilge is shallow but we added an auxiliary pump with a header and multiple pickup points so we can pretty well suck the bilges dry on either tack.

After 5 years on the boat, we don't feel any compulsion to trade her in.
__________________
Michael Fössl
S/V Second Jump
British Columbia
mikefossl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-02-2014, 15:22   #26
Marine Service Provider
 
boatpoker's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Toronto, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 2,593
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

Quote:
Originally Posted by satdiver View Post
Mark was is or was a big time drunk

As for Bob Perry, I personally don't like him
Really ! ... is that slander or libel, I get confused.

I'll pass that on to Mark when I see him next week.
__________________
That hysterical laughter you hear as you sail a way in your "new" boat ..... is the seller.
boatpoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2014, 12:54   #27
Registered User
 
S/V Alchemy's Avatar

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Toronto
Boat: Custom 41' Steel Pilothouse Cutter
Posts: 4,576
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake-Effect View Post
There's your answer right there. What production sailboats have been built in Canada within the last 20 years?
Saga Yachts is doing quite well, for all I know. They are on the short list if my lotto ticket pays off.
__________________
Can't sleep? Read www.alchemy2009.blogspot.com for fast relief. Can't read? Avoid www.volumesofsalt.blogspot.com, because it's just personal reviews of sea books.
S/V Alchemy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2014, 13:18   #28
Marine Service Provider
 
boatpoker's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Toronto, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 2,593
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

Oh Canada ............

Bruckmann Yachts

Kanter Yachts

Gozzard Yachts

Wiggers Yachts
__________________
That hysterical laughter you hear as you sail a way in your "new" boat ..... is the seller.
boatpoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2014, 14:21   #29
Senior Cruiser
 
Vasco's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Boat: CS36Merlin, "La Belle Aurore" Ben393 "Breathless"
Posts: 7,138
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

Quote:
Originally Posted by S/V Alchemy View Post
Saga Yachts is doing quite well, for all I know. They are on the short list if my lotto ticket pays off.

Original Saga went tits up owing a lot to suppliers. Run into the ground and then the principal went on to Pacific Seacraft and we all know what happened there. Bankrupt.
__________________
Rick I
Toronto in summer, Bahamas in winter.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beneteau393/
Vasco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2014, 14:24   #30
Marine Service Provider
 
boatpoker's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Toronto, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 2,593
Re: Opinions sought on Canadian Sailcraft CS-40

Bruckmann now building SAGA
__________________

__________________
That hysterical laughter you hear as you sail a way in your "new" boat ..... is the seller.
boatpoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
sail

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:34.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.