Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 15-11-2012, 11:01   #1
Registered User
 
westsail374's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Durham, NC
Boat: Looking...
Posts: 318
Nauticat Performance?

I am looking at pilothouse boats, and the Nauticat range appears to be well made and well regarded by owners.

What experiences have list members had with their performance under power and sail?

How well built are they?

What areas should one look at on different Nauticat models during survey?

Thanks for your insights!

Bill
__________________

__________________
westsail374 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2012, 11:08   #2
Senior Cruiser
 
Cheechako's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Skagit City, WA
Posts: 19,371
Re: Nauticat Performance?

My buddy chartered one many years ago, (43?) he was so impressed he wanted to buy one... never did though. Seems like they have a fairly modern underbody. some windage but hey.... some of us motor to weather anyway!
__________________

__________________
"I spent most of my money on Booze, Broads and Boats. The rest I wasted" - Elmore Leonard











Cheechako is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 21-11-2012, 05:18   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Finland
Boat: Nautor's Swan 431
Posts: 16
Nauticats are still built in Finland and considered as the ultimate pilot house boats in terms of overall quality. They also belong to the most expensive yachts produced in Scandinavia. Older ones as 43 and 52/521were originally build by Nautor (Swan) and designed by S&S. Nautor then sold the rights and the molds to Siltala Yachts (the builders of the Nauticat line) and concentrated more deeply to their own Swan-line.
__________________
ihe2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-11-2012, 10:36   #4
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,048
Images: 1
Re: Nauticat Performance?

I used a Nauticat 37 to teach Yachtmaster Offshore. I made several trips around Vancouver Island on her.

Kaj Gustafsson has some idiosyncratic ways of doing things. As an example the head inlet and the head sink drain share a thru-hull. It took me a while to figure out why, but by closing the thru-hull you can drain the sink by pumping the head. The engine hour meter was in an electric panel with access in the galley.

Pluses
- Well organized desk layout. She had both a gennaker and a dip-pole spinnaker. There were fairleads and sheet stoppers for all lines.
- The galley was safe offshore as the space was limited and it had a galley harness.
- The aft cabin was great. The mattress is split to accommodate a lee cloth down the center
- Tons of storage space.
- Two fridges (one is a bar fridge) and a freezer.
- Bow thruster (an option, I believe) - very useful in docking in strong currents.
- The pilot / coffin berth was my favourite.
- I could check sail trim from below.
- A proper metal toe rail.
- Stern mounted fender holders that did not look out of place.
- Nice anchor well.
- Anchor wash down.
- Great tankage for both water and fuel.
- Pad eyes for jacklines
- Mounting points for tethers in the cockpit

Minuses
- All sinks were outboard and filled with water if not closed. The galley was especially problematic.
- Both heads were on port
- The shower drains into the bilge
- With a tall rig it was very tender, reefing on a beat started at 12 knots.
- Hydraulic steering provides little feedback
- No nav station.
- Engine access through the saloon floor with two layers.
- The inside steering seat could be a PITA when you needed to move it.
- Listed to starboard at the dock.
- A little too freeboard for my liking.
- The gravity feed holding tank plugged on me once. Not an easy fix.
- I am not a fan of Anderson winch handles (they only toggle in one direction), the winches were nice. I shut off the electric main halyard winch and use it manually as it did not lock out with a winch in - very scary.
- The solid teak rails requires that the genoa sheet be led outside of the lifelines when going downwind. Otherwise there is chafing on the sheet and wear on the rail.

If you have any specfic questions, please feel free to ask.

Jack
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-11-2012, 11:21   #5
Resin Head
 
minaret's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Seattle WA
Boat: Nauticat
Posts: 7,201
Images: 52
Re: Nauticat Performance?

The thing to remember when discussing Nauticat performance under sail is that there are huge differences between the earlier design "original" Nauticats, and the later Sparkman and Stephens/Nautor boats. The earlier boats are strictly motorsailors designed for cruising the islands in the Baltic. They have wide power boat like transoms and poor performance under sail. The later S&S designs were designed to have much more emphasis on sail performance, and have a modified fin keel with skeg hung rudder. They are completely different animals when it comes to performance under sail. The S&S boats behave very well under sail, mine is quite fast and points well.
The classic example of the confusion this creates is the Nauticat 43 and the Nauticat 44. The 43 is a S&S design and sails quite well. The 44 is the original Finnish design and while a great motorsailor it's performance under sail isn't in the same realm. I'll post a few pics of the two designs so you can see the obvious differences in the two pedigrees. Of course the newer series of Nauticats (if you're looking at new boats) are evolved from the S&S line for the most part, and the emphasis is on sail performance.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	n43.jpg
Views:	1524
Size:	17.1 KB
ID:	50050   Click image for larger version

Name:	nauticat43-3.jpg
Views:	823
Size:	280.3 KB
ID:	50051  

Click image for larger version

Name:	1018.1.jpg
Views:	961
Size:	179.4 KB
ID:	50052   Click image for larger version

Name:	2004nauticat44PH.jpg
Views:	1626
Size:	57.8 KB
ID:	50053  

Click image for larger version

Name:	digi38517756_l.jpg
Views:	2575
Size:	49.9 KB
ID:	50054   Click image for larger version

Name:	Imported Photos 00197.JPG
Views:	1441
Size:	198.3 KB
ID:	50055  

__________________
minaret is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-11-2012, 11:30   #6
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,048
Images: 1
Re: Nauticat Performance?

BTW - the 37, (aside from being tender) sailed well. I used everything from full main and spinnaker downwind to a third reef in the main and a staysail upwind.

A couple of other points.

The bracket that holds the staysail stay to the mast when not in use bends very easily.

The v-berth is not really a double. That could be a plus if you want your guests not to overstay their welcome.

The saloon was narrow enough that we had a do a shuffle to get past each other.
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-11-2012, 11:37   #7
Resin Head
 
minaret's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Seattle WA
Boat: Nauticat
Posts: 7,201
Images: 52
Re: Nauticat Performance?

The 37-
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Nauticat37Easycat-sail.jpg
Views:	1031
Size:	191.8 KB
ID:	50057   Click image for larger version

Name:	Nauticat37Easycat-sail3.jpg
Views:	1288
Size:	125.9 KB
ID:	50058  

Click image for larger version

Name:	Nauticat37Easycat-sail4.jpg
Views:	616
Size:	103.0 KB
ID:	50059   Click image for larger version

Name:	Nauticat37aftcabin.jpg
Views:	716
Size:	136.7 KB
ID:	50060  

Click image for larger version

Name:	Nauticat37pilothouse2.jpg
Views:	909
Size:	113.8 KB
ID:	50061   Click image for larger version

Name:	Nauticat37viewfromgalleytop.jpg
Views:	660
Size:	119.7 KB
ID:	50062  

__________________
minaret is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-11-2012, 13:16   #8
Registered User
 
westsail374's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Durham, NC
Boat: Looking...
Posts: 318
Re: Nauticat Performance?

Many thanks for your informed feedback.

I am looking at a Nauticat 40, one of the S&S designs. Anyone ever been on one of them?

It is sloop rigged, but has mounting for the after mast. The PO may have taken it down, as I have heard some say that the mizzen is good for nothing except to lean against. I do not necessarily agree, as I believe that sailing under jib and jigger is a good approach in heavy weather.

Any thoughts?
__________________

__________________
westsail374 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 15:05.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.