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Old 24-07-2010, 16:49   #1
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Narrowing the Seach for a Vessel

Hi all,

I've asked this before here, but I'm refining my ideas on the right boat and I'd like some more feedback. My wife and I are planning to move to the UK and work a year there (we think we can get residency status). In that year, we plan to buy a boat, then sail (motor) through the french canals and sail the western med (mainly agean and adriatic seas) for 2 - 3 years.

If we feel confident then, we'd sail across to the Carribean, maybe deviate up the East Coast and ICW, then through the canal, cross the pacific and back home.

I know there's no perfect boat for this trip, and the length of the trip is unknown in advance (we may pull the plug if we find its all too much). The idea is that we will be gaining experience in easier conditions at the beginning of the trip. (I'm also training for my RYA ocean yachtmaster here in Oz).

The vessels I'm currently looking at are (low end of scale) boats like the Nicholson 31 - 34 (and varients like the Ranger). up to boats like the Hallberg-Rassy 32. Our budget total is around AUD $100,000 for the boat.

Any other vessels that you think would fill this role? Do you think these boats are suitable for a couple in their late 50's to manage on ocean crossings, in the Med, in canals?

We have several years experience in multihulls, so the whole mono thing is a bit new to us. Thanks for the conversations,

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Old 24-07-2010, 17:14   #2
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G'day Steve,

Half your luck mate, wish I could go back to the Old Dart with you
It sounds like you have a pretty good plan there...Now "go for it"
To point you to a good blue water boat for the purpose. I would suggest you look at a few Ferro Built Yachts A ferro boat will get you the most bang for your buck, something big enough for you and your wife to live in comfort aboard but, small enough for you to sail single handed. Now before others start rubishing Ferro built yachts/boats, I suggest you visit the Ferro Yachts website and study-up on ferro boats...They are not, as some others think, a hippy hang-over...They have been around for over a hundred years and you can read all the pros and cons from people who own, or have owned a ferro yacht...Some have owned their ferro yacht for many years and have sailed around the world on their yachts.

By the way Steve, the Med is not the mill pond it's painted to be. On a bad day, the Med can be a real basket case but...You'll love the pond...Most of the time

One thing Steve, rember...It's a buyers market for all boats but ferro boats sell for a much lower price than other hull types (constructed in other materials) but then they don't cost as much to buy or build

Good luck with everything Steve, and have a ball...You only live once mate so Go For It

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There are lots of boats that will suit you for your plans.

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One thing Steve, rember...It's a buyers market for all boats but ferro boats sell for a much lower price than other hull types (constructed in other materials) but then they don't cost as much to buy or build
There is a reason ferro is bought cheap. Think it through and look before you leap.
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Canal Boat?

I would have thought that canals needed a fairly specialised sort of boat. Would it be possible to get some sort of long term hire for the trip through the canals, return the boat and then buy an ex charter in Turkey or Greece to start the sailing part?

I'd imagine it would be a fair pain to take even a smallish sailing boat through the canals. Greece and Turkey have got to be cheaper than the UK if you can be a little flexible.

No connection with the mob selling this boat but it sounds like they'd happily sell it for you when you were finished with the canals.

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Hi Borcay,

Hmm, I'd never really considered a cabin cruiser for the canals, but your post got me thinking!! I'm a sailor, not a stink-boater, but for the canals, a steel cabin cruiser may make a lot of sense.

We're planning on living for 12 months in the UK. If I bought a cabin cruiser there, we could live on board for 12 months, cross the Channel into the canals, spend 1 - 2 years there, then sell the boat. The worry would be the time we'd have to wait before it sold. It seems the boat market is pretty depressed, boats seem to stay on broker's listings for a long time.

Are boat's much cheaper in Turkey/Croatia/Greece than the UK? and Northern Europe. I'm interested in Hallberg-Rassy's and most of those are sold to Germany and northern european markets. Is the eastern med a 'dumping ground' for vessels when people finish cruising? That would tend to depress prices there.

Lots to think about, but thanks for the re-direction. Definitely worth considering. I'd probably have kittens with a gorgeous HR in a lock with a stinking big barge!

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Old 28-07-2010, 00:08   #7
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I had a quick search and found a couple of canalish Forums. If you have a Google round you should be able to find some more.
Canal World Discussion Forums
The Boats and Canals Forum

and also Buying a barge the wrong way
A tale from a barge beginner.


I'm guessing that you want something that is well regarded that will sell easily.

Cruising slowly through the French and English canals is something I'd like to do one day.
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I love your plan, we are doing something similiar.
I have built a 39 ft Trimaran motor/sailor that will fit into a 40 ft shipping container.
We are cruising from Brisbane, Australia through Indonesia/malaysia/ phillipines then back to Singapore, put the boat into a container and send it to Marsellais, France to live my life's dream of cruising the canals( I have been to France many times)
We then ship the boat to the USA for the ICW, and finally sail to Panama and home across the pacific.
We have a plan

However a friend recently has brought in a boat from the USA by Ro/Ro car ferry and it was not that expensive, as long as you lower your mast and put the boat on a base, and they can take wider boats than the 7ft 8 ins of a container.
Worth looking into.
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Hi Beau,

How are you planning to fit your trimaran into the canals?

I've owned two folding tris, a Farrier 720 (stretched to 8.5 m) and a Tramp. I'm a tri addict, I love the way these boats sail. We also had a previous attempt at a cruise, we bought a 44' catamaran that was just a disaster. The plan was to sail over to the Med, seems very naive now.

So I've settled on a mono, I can afford a good seaworthy mono, and I've learned the hard way that the smaller the boat, the better life is. I just couldn't keep up with the maintenance of a 44' aging cat, nor the cost. I plan to sail the boat home, if my wife and I feel that we can manage it okay.

But the small cabin cruiser may definitely be a solution to the canals.

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Steve, Instead of old rusty barge how about one of those nice Dutch steel cabin cruisers built for the European waterways, either in Europe or the UK. Something like this perhaps, but dosens of other examples on the B&O website.

Other Offshore Cruiser for sale , Dutch Steel Cruiser - Boats And Outboards

You are hanking after an HR (and yes they are very nice), but you will pay an awful lot for the name, just as you would for A Merc or BMW. So you would get lots more bang for your buck with say a Jeanneau or Beneteau.

There is a second hand market in Greece/Turkey for ex charter boat yachts around the 35ft mark which would be worth searching Yachtworld for. They are ex VAT so plan on 17-20% on top if you want to keep them in Europe long term, although there are some exceptions which might work for you.

Thankfully the to Euro has just changed today so hopefully those pesky Europeans will now stop buying our best second hand yachts which have been 25% cheaper than their own yachts for a while now.

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Thanks for the info, Pete.

As for the HR, I think I'd rather have an older boat that was well built and well maintained than an ex-charter boat that might be newer, but may not be as well constructed. My budget for the boat is around $100000 AUD which is only about STK 60000. I'm hoping that might pick up a Monsun 31 or 352 or even a Rasmus. That sort of boat would have better resale back in Oz, and I think, a better boat overall.

I'm still wondering about the legislative side. We're aiming for UK residency (we plan to work as teachers for a year or two). If we're resident, then I'm assuming that we can buy a UK registered vessel, and keep it under that registration while we're in Europe. In which case, tax paid makes sense.

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Hi Steve,

Sounds like a great plan. I'm not sure if you have read Sailing There by Patricia Vellinga but its sounds similar to your plans. The had a Formosa 41 built in Taiwan and shipped to Amsterdam, then headed down the canals, thru France and on to the med - quite interesting.

For a few years I had a boat like Monic A (linked above) on the Shannon in Ireland and loved it - main reason I loved it was its simplicity and lack of worries in the locks.

I like the idea of the HR but think that when we do it (med) I will likely get a larger newer production boat with more predictable issues and more amenities.

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