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Old 16-05-2015, 13:50   #91
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Re: My marina was supposed to wash my boat... Painted it too what would you do?

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There has to be a story behind this one. How come they had to cut the shaft? I could see maybe replacing a prop due to damage or deterioration due to galvanic action but the shaft.
They couldn't get the coupling off, it had rusted on.
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They couldn't get the coupling off, it had rusted on.
That was the first thing I thought of but even after they cut the shaft, wouldn't the coupling still be rusted onto the stub?
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" but even after they cut the shaft,"
This is why I've asked my CongressPerson to sponsor new legislation, prohibiting the unlicensed use or possession of those dangerous assault saws, the ones with more than 17 teeth on any one blade.
Law abiding imbeciles simply have no need for assault saws, and that includes all the motorized ones. Those should be reserved for government use only.
There are just SO MANY WAYS to get stuck parts Unstuck. Sigh.


I hope you paid the man in cash. Liberally doused with crazy glue.
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" but even after they cut the shaft,"
This is why I've asked my CongressPerson to sponsor new legislation, prohibiting the unlicensed use or possession of those dangerous assault saws, the ones with more than 17 teeth on any one blade.
Law abiding imbeciles simply have no need for assault saws, and that includes all the motorized ones. Those should be reserved for government use only.
There are just SO MANY WAYS to get stuck parts Unstuck. Sigh.


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Assault saw, I love the jest? Saws kill shafts not people.
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That was the first thing I thought of but even after they cut the shaft, wouldn't the coupling still be rusted onto the stub?
Wait, never mind. Shaft rusted to coupling but the two halves of the coupling would separate. So separated the couplings but couldn't get the half off that was on the shaft.

Bet for $6000 I could have gotten it off.
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"Bet for $6000 I could have gotten it off. "
Grinding wheel and a nut cracker, huh?(G)


Like the folks who think wheel locks will keep the mag wheels on their cars. Until they lose the "key" and the tire shop goes "whack! whack!" with the special tool and they're gone.


Well, look. Tor Heyerdahl couldn't find a good mechanic for the Kon-Tiki, either. And that technology had been around over 1500 years!
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I asked my Marina to haul and wash my boat. They were backed up. This was about three weeks ago.

Today I got a Voicemail saying they hauled it, washed it and painted it, and tried to upsell me on a cutlass bearing (my boat was surveyed last year I was told the bearing is going but will last another few years.)

I didn't call them back yet, what should I do?

I don't want to pay for it. There was no service forms or anything signed. I bought the boat two years ago and was told it had 'long term' five year paint on it, which was confirmed? By the surveyor...
I only use email and signoff work as per agreed milestones.

Did you seriously only do this over the phone or in person? A wash sure but not 6k of work.

Legally a verbal contract is binding. It would also be a reasonable expectation that the marina would be able to produce a quote with some form of go ahead from you for 6k of work. I'd challenge them and enquire 'did they paint the wrong boat?' It happens.

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As my husband and I prepare ourselves for buying a boat and living full time on it, I find this situation very concerning. Are there no contracts with the marinas when you hire them to do work like this? If so, and they did work that was not authorized, wouldn't they be at fault and possibly could be sued for damages? Seems to me like the equivalent to taking your white car through the car wash and it came out the other side blue!
For 6k of work some form of quote and agreement should be in place.

We negotiate most work as fixed price. For time and materials work you need to manage the work closely. Dont ever let anyone do time and materials work with no supervision.

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I only use email and signoff work as per agreed milestones.

Did you seriously only do this over the phone or in person? A wash sure but not 6k of work.

Legally a verbal contract is binding. It would also be a reasonable expectation that the marina would be able to produce a quote with some form of go ahead from you for 6k of work. I'd challenge them and enquire 'did they paint the wrong boat?' It happens.

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From the information available in this thread, I'm pretty sure Prairie Bones didn't get 6k of work done. He got a wash and now for an extra 100, he got a bottom paint.
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"Bet for $6000 I could have gotten it off. "
Grinding wheel and a nut cracker, huh?(G)
I was thinking more like an acetylene torch and a big hammer.
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I was thinking more like an acetylene torch and a big hammer.
But if you know what the imbeciles can do with an assault saw, do you want them in there with a torch and a hammer?
Being a Mochinist, I made a really slick, tight quarters transmission flange puller. I used it for years helping people. One day in Alameda I saw an Ericson 35 owner ready to cut his shaft with a sawzall. I stopped him and offered the puller. I told him to heat the flange gently with a propane torch. 2 hours later I went to collect the puller to find it twisted like a pretzel. His excuse was he didn't have a torch, although the hardware store was less than 5 minutes away. He did say sorry
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Ok, now I feel like more of an idiot than usual, I thought bottom paint was expensive.

So here's an update. On the phone this morning I told them I didn't ask for paint, they said Oh? and I said I'd come in to talk.

I walked in there, said how much was the paint anyway? They said $100, I said, oh that's not worth arguing over, I'll just pay it. They said, no we didn't have a work order we'll scratch that from the bill. The end.
What sort of boat do you have, a rowboat? Bottom paint costs more than $100 per gallon, much less the labor to prep and apply it. I paid $1200 and my boat is pretty small.
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Re: My marina was supposed to wash my boat... Painted it too what would you do?

There has to be more to this story than meets the eye, on your screen. A coupling rusted to a shaft? Sounds suspect or half of the story.
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For 6k of work some form of quote and agreement should be in place.

We negotiate most work as fixed price. For time and materials work you need to manage the work closely. Dont ever let anyone do time and materials work with no supervision.

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It was completely my fault - I didn't get any kind of quote or anything before hand - like I said I thought it would be a 2 hour job to install the PSS. They mentioned they may have to cut the shaft and I said 'ok'. For $6000 (and that doesn't include the haulout/yard time) I would have shopped around or just done it myself - the whole point of getting the yard to do the PSS install was so it would be done in a day and I could return to my home marina (I'm a liveaboard). Turns out they are a closed shop so they had to order the prop shaft from 'their guy' and the same with the prop - both of those were backed up so it took over two weeks of sitting on the hard to get the thing finished anyway .

And then they didn't reinstall the rudder correctly. I wrote them an email but never heard back. What a mess.

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There has to be more to this story than meets the eye, on your screen. A coupling rusted to a shaft? Sounds suspect or half of the story.
Not really, I think it's pretty common they told me. The boat is from 1980 and has far as I could tell had original shaft/coupling.
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Just wondering...if they had to cut the coupler and shaft because they were so stuck with corrosion?


Did they have the brains to coat all of the new pieces with antiseize, as any professional mechanic would, to make sure that's never a problem again?
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