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Old 26-05-2014, 15:14   #46
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Actually Jim with a fine entry motor sailor like mine and partially furled loose footed sails in +25 to 35knt apparent wind you can close haul very comfortably under low rpm motorsail.

Sails are not hard pressed or boat heeled hard over as you are sharing the load, so you can pretty much fix sheets on a heavy boat like mine. (46t)

When a large set comes up, a short ease to leeward lifts the weather side and you stay nice and dry, bellying down the waves backside.

The big difference is that Propulsion makes it easier to recover and play the waves while chugging along at 7knts.

I can do the same purely under sail, but I can't point as high or recover as quickly while maintaining SOG or experience a more relaxed under canvassed passage hard to Windward.

Basically I set the sails for steadying heel and conservative drive then adjust RPM for the optimum speed based on wave period.
G'Day Pelagic,

Well, your lovely boat isn't much like the motorsailers that I was thinking of*, and also I thought that the poster was referring to simply motoring straight into the wind/sea.

I certainly understand the sort of methodology you suggest, and agree that it is an excellent means of improving one's progress to windward... in any boat!

* You know, the Fisher-type, with heavy displacement, small sail plans, lots of wetted area and big props.

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Old 26-05-2014, 15:18   #47
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* You know, the Fisher-type, with heavy displacement, small sail plans, lots of wetted area and big props.

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ME LIKE FISHERS!!!!!!!
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ME LIKE FISHERS!!!!!!!
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this proves there is something for everybody.

i actually like the look of the Fishers too. One of them, the 28 or the 30 something is a fine motor sailer and the the other is a bit of a pig.... I just cant remember which one.
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G'Day Pelagic,

Well, your lovely boat isn't much like the motorsailers that I was thinking of*, and also I thought that the poster was referring to simply motoring straight into the wind/sea.

I certainly understand the sort of methodology you suggest, and agree that it is an excellent means of improving one's progress to windward... in any boat!

* You know, the Fisher-type, with heavy displacement, small sail plans, lots of wetted area and big props.

Cheers,

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Hello, Jim

For me "today" motorsailer is rather something like newer Nauticats, than Fishers:

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I think they achieved the best yet compromise for this concept of boat

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The Fisher 25 and 34 are desirable.

The next cod-war I will be ready!
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I think they achieved the best yet compromise for this concept of boat

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apart from the Haber that is.......
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Hello, Jim

For me "today" motorsailer is rather something like newer Nauticats, than Fishers:

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I think they achieved the best yet compromise for this concept of boat

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Tomasz, those are indeed handsome yachts. I am however curious as to what distinguishes this sort of design from the current crop of "deck saloon" yachts offered by many AWB manufacturers?

Perhaps my definition of m/s is mired in the past, when any sailing yacht with more than rudimentary (1 hp/ton) power was considered a m/s.

Those Nauticats and the Haber that you were discussing look very nice, and have some potential for sailing well (the devil being in the details).

Good luck in your searches, all of you.

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Tomasz, those are indeed handsome yachts. I am however curious as to what distinguishes this sort of design from the current crop of "deck saloon" yachts offered by many AWB manufacturers?

Perhaps my definition of m/s is mired in the past, when any sailing yacht with more than rudimentary (1 hp/ton) power was considered a m/s.

Those Nauticats and the Haber that you were discussing look very nice, and have some potential for sailing well (the devil being in the details).

Good luck in your searches, all of you.

Jim


The window angle in a DS is so acute you can't see forward at all, let alone see over the bow. Not a pilothouse. These Nauticats not only have a full pilothouse with inside steering and all the amenities, but they also have excellent visibility forward. This is actually quite rare in pilothouse sailboats. I shopped for a pilothouse boat for four years, been aboard the great majority of brands that build a pilothouse version. Visibility is often poor, and often you can't see over the bow at all. This makes the inside steering on many pilothouse boats redundant, an AP at the Nav station would be just as good. Not so the Nauticat, it's like helming a little ship from inside. Excellent visibility on all sides, even overhead to the sails. The smaller models (43') have a full sliding sunroof on the pilothouse roof!
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....... - The concept in general intrigues me, but I am a bit concerned that a motorsailer does neither motoring or sailing well as been stated at times by others.
Some see things with a half empty mentality while others realize that boat design is a compromise.

A good m/s should both sail and motor well in most sea conditions.

But obviously when you add a bigger engine room / pilothouse / interior comforts... there is a weight and resistance penalty that shows up in light airs.

Same when comparing speed and interior space with a semi-displacement power boat.

As Jim said...the devil is in the details... (With any boat) so making sure the fit out does both forms of propulsion reasonably well.... is important.

The result can be the best of both worlds in synergy with your needs. or the worst.
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