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Old 05-01-2010, 17:22   #1
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Moody 45DS - Safe Ocean Cruiser?

Hi All, Would really appreciate some advise re the safety of the new Moody 45DS. We are planning to live-aboard, but also to sail around the world in stages. Is this vessel up to it? Or should we rather opt for a Hallberg Rassy 43?
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Old 05-01-2010, 17:55   #2
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2 feet is a lot on a boat.

The moody is built big.. some might think slightly ungainly looking. But where crusing is the idea then the big boat with the big pilot house may be the go. Its certainly a unique boat and I think you will either love it or hate it.

The HR's are fine, but perhaps a little older in design and more formal in accomodation.

The Moody would be fine at sea so that should not be in the decision.

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Old 06-01-2010, 20:10   #3
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Hi Mark,
I really did appreciate your reply. However, I'm still torn since our plans are to live-aboard for a couple of years and than lift anchor for our first circum navigation. And some sailors here in Sydney suggested that with the Moody and it's sliding doors, I will never leave the shores. One quote was: "Just imagine what happens to these sliding doors" when a huge wave comes over!".
My question of course would be: "do they come over from behind?".
I know, and have been told that most of the trouble at sea comes from inexperience of a crew rather than the vessel in question. Since the Moody 45ds is rated CA, shouldn't that give me more comfort (even with sliding doors?).
Thanks again for your advise,.
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some sailors here in Sydney suggested that with the Moody and it's sliding doors, I will never leave the shores. One quote was: "Just imagine what happens to these sliding doors" when a huge wave comes over!".
Gunther,

Never listen to imbiciles or other cruisers.

If we did we would still be at home instead of 18,000 miles into a million mile cruise.

If you like the pilot house and have seen the way the cockpit flows on the same level into it, and you like it, then go for it!

We would like windows where we could see out into the world more easily when at anchor.

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Old 08-01-2010, 08:04   #5
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We have small windows because we have seen those big waves break over our big 55 ft boat and that was in benign F9...we would never go to sea in a 'greenhouse'.

Read K Adlard Cole's early editions of 'Heavy Weather Sailing'. He carried pre-cut plywood shutters for every window in the boat. Or read the book on the Queen's Birthday Storm...Someone who survived the storm said that:

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The sliding door might never get damaged in heavy seas but if it does you will sink...our companionway hatch is 1 inch teak with stainless bolts to keep it in place.
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Old 08-01-2010, 08:37   #6
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Its a fairly new design of boat so there won't be many out there for owners to comment on it. Managed to get a walk around one 18 months ago at the Southampton boat Show. Very impressive and love the 3 cabin layout below whilst everything else up at deck level. Huge storage under the aft decks too.

Clearly not cheap, I suggest you have a chat with Moody and borrow one for a trip to France and back over a weekend subject to a sale. They might just agree to that given the current financial climate, certainly nothing to loose by asking.

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Old 10-01-2010, 23:22   #7
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Thank you all!

Thanks everybody for all the insight and advise.
And because, and despite it all we've decided to take the plunge. We've put down a deposit on the Moody and will be sailing soon.
Again many thanks everybody.
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I looked at this boat, and my main problems were engine access and flimsy rudder tubes. The volvo is deisgned to be front serviced, yet the engine is right up againt the bulkhead, in an area where there is no head room. Nice boat spoiled by the engineering.
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Hi Gunther,

G'day matey and good luck. We are expats Aussies from Perth now living back in UK winter months and sailing when the sun shines.

The hull shape of this 'new'Moody is exactly the same as our Hanse 461, but no suprises as we all know who builds them now. Bit tongue in cheek of them to infer another designer as our shared hull design came from the board of Judel and Vrolyk.... but who cares.

We've had the 461 for near 5 years and sailed her 30,000 miles. From UK, all round the Med to Egypt, back to Canaries and over to Caribbean, back to UK and then last year once more headed off south for Portugal. Go check our blog to read how she has never let us down and flies when compared with other cruisers. You'll leave a HR 54 for dead.

And be aware we've never once had any water over our stern and suspect our transoms are very similar heights. Suggest you take the more conservative view on this with a pinch of salt, we no longe rlive in the days of Cole designs, and you'll find any big sea will lift your big stern and water will simply slide under.

And I've repeated this so many time I hope I am not boring - but they also had a lot less available on conditions back when Adlanrd wrote his book. IMHO if you cannot cruise safely inside the weather windows of info we all have available to us today, then maybe it is best for people to stay at home (or continue to go sailing on what look like lifeboats with sticks.

I have climbed over the 45DS also at Southampton and share what you see in it's appeal and maybe what they are aiming for. What I'd call a Med or Hamilton Island boat.

Sorry - no insults - but it is ugly. Plus must be real hard to park up when close to - as nix viz from each wheel. But so what - I am sure you've realised these drawbacks already.

Balanced against the hull form, the efficient and easy handled rig, the ease and speed of sailing shorthanded, and finally the innovations in layout and internals - it come together to make it a very appealing 'livaboard' yacht. With a volume below that makes most 60 footers looked cramped.

So from from the way you've described your plans you've done well - I've no doubts it will fit your needs.

Good luck - enjoy - but do be aware we had initial friction issues with the folding anchor / windlass set up on the 461. They continued producing with same issues on the 470. Suspect you'll have similar on the 45. Scuttlebut indicates they never sorted it at the factory so if you want some tips on those practical bits and how we sorted them, then pm me directly.

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And I've repeated this so many time I hope I am not boring - but they also had a lot less available on conditions back when Adlanrd wrote his book. IMHO if you cannot cruise safely inside the weather windows of info we all have available to us today, then maybe it is best for people to stay at home (or continue to go sailing on what look like lifeboats with sticks.
That's pure poetry, John, and you've cut to the heart of the matter. Weather windows are a lot less dependable for those who cruise at four knots than those who cruise at eight.
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Re: Moody 45DS - Safe Ocean Cruiser?

hi,
i was about to buy one and had the same concerns as you .I did some research and then dropped it in favour of nordship, a more seaworthy boat but less sexy but then my heart overuled my brain and ive just gone back to moody
.However I would not go deep sea with her .Yes she has cs approval and stix not too bad but the titanic was built to british standards and all that glass,apparently 13mm thick and a patio door just doesnt reassure me enough so watch the forecast and avoid the greenies.
ps lots of reports in magazines
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