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Old 12-02-2013, 16:09   #1
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Modern equivalent to an old boat

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I have been spending an awfull lot of time researching what sailboat I would be interested in and for what I am looking at, the Westsail 32 looks to be the one........however the age of them is giving me some issues.
I am wondering if there is a modern sailboat that is equal to the Westsail 32?
Does such a boat exist?
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Old 12-02-2013, 16:44   #2
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Hi all
I have been spending an awfull lot of time researching what sailboat I would be interested in and for what I am looking at, the Westsail 32 looks to be the one........however the age of them is giving me some issues.
I am wondering if there is a modern sailboat that is equal to the Westsail 32?
Does such a boat exist?
I think it is an Oxymoron to say Westsail 32 and Modern...
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Old 12-02-2013, 16:53   #3
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Re: Modern equivalent to an old boat

Cabo Rico 34? (Admittedly, that's a Crealock design and the W32 is a Colin Archer design. But, it may share some of the same features you like in a boat if you're not too set on a double ender.)

If you want to look at a Crealock double-ender, check out a Pacific Seacraft 37.
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How about the Bristol Channel Pilot Cutters built until about 2007?
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Old 12-02-2013, 19:04   #5
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If you want to spend six figures, by all means look for a newer boat. With new 25' boats asking six figures, can imagine what a new Westsail equivalent would cost.

Any boat over about 5 years old is going to have some maintenance issues. Hell even new boats problems. The worst is a 10 year old boat with original equipment. Any boat of that vintage needs to be looked at carefully by a surveyor and replacement and quality of maintenance looked into thoroughly. I would way more want a 35 year old W32 that's in good condition than most of the newer boats with pretensions of being long distance cruisers. An older Westsail is probably going to have a newish diesel, totally replaced rigging with Norseman/StaLok terminals and newish chainplates, and newer sails. Electronics on any boat that are older than about 10 years old should be valued at $0 as they will be outmoded and prone to failure from the harsh marine environment.

There are a lot of boats out there that were W32 wannabe's but most are going to be only slightly newer than a W32. Most of them are good boats but all are in the same situation as far as quality of maintenance and equipment replacement being the real determiner of value.
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The BCC that Kettlewell mentioned is now being made by the Cape George Marine Works in Port Townsend, WA. I would say the BCC and the Cape Georges are far and away better designs than the WS32, while still fitting into the full keel/proper displacement paradigm. And they're not double-enders. But the prices for them are a perfect scandal. Lots of WS32s always being refit and upgraded--most of the hulls are likely solid, regardless of age, and it would be a matter of finding one that was well-cared for.
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Old 12-02-2013, 19:40   #7
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Anything George Buehler, was just a 50' dragonfly here in key west for 36K. It motored by this morning as I had my coffee. It was on craigslist days ago, maybe it had a happy new owner. Nice lookin boat, double ender, hard dodger.
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The BCC that Kettlewell mentioned is now being made by the Cape George Marine Works in Port Townsend, WA. I would say the BCC and the Cape Georges are far and away better designs than the WS32, while still fitting into the full keel/proper displacement paradigm. And they're not double-enders. But the prices for them are a perfect scandal. Lots of WS32s always being refit and upgraded--most of the hulls are likely solid, regardless of age, and it would be a matter of finding one that was well-cared for.

I've been interested in Cape George boats. If I were to upgrade (afford) to a CG, I would be interested in a 40ft, although 36 and 38 are nice too. They're very nice looking boats. I probably don't want to know the costs. Like the saying, "if you have to ask, probably can't afford"

Well, it's nice to dream about it.
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Thanks everyone...........good advise and ideas.
I will start looking at some of the mentioned boats.

I suppose it isn't really possible to buy something that is really ready to go.....they are all going to need something done, upgraded or repaired.
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My neighbor just bought an Ingrid 38 (the only double-ender design I approve of), for $36,000. Ready to go, barring charts and food. So they're out there, you just gotta keep looking.
Rhapsody--I could afford my GC only because I bought it as a bare hull, but their bare hulls are the most affordable ones I found in my search for such things. Then, of course, you have to build the rest, but to me it's well worth it.
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Rhapsody--I could afford my GC only because I bought it as a bare hull, but their bare hulls are the most affordable ones I found in my search for such things. Then, of course, you have to build the rest, but to me it's well worth it.
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I like the idea of building the rest. I'm sure I could figure it out along the way. I'm thinking maybe good to get a fixer-upper for practice first

If I ever go up in size, CG is on my list of considerations.
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Modern equivalent of a WS32?

A clawfoot bathtub with a rudder and a sail.
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Hi Bern74,
Have you seen the Cornish Crabbers?
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The gaffer rig makes it look classic.
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Baba 30 maybe. I love them as they are very old school, full keel, double enders.

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(...) I am wondering if there is a modern sailboat that is equal to the Westsail 32?

Does such a boat exist?
Now define equal. I assume you mean similarity of hull lines, SA/Displacement and the likes.

Yes. You can buy a Colin Archer type of hull in Denmark or Holland and have it finished up to your liking. This will be the more expensive way.

Or you can buy a clean&sound W32 hull, strip it, epoxy it, paint it. Then re-fit with new fittings and you end-up with a new boat. This will be the less expensive way.

You can also buy brand new HCh 33, which is not the same but maybe close enough.

You can also have any boatbuilder build a W32 but I think steel or alloy will be easier and cheaper to build than hard grp.

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