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Old 24-12-2012, 11:03   #31
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Re: Long keel, full keel

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Full keel boats being slower than fin keelers is NOT what my experience has shown. Just three days ago my little Cape Dory 25D with a 19.5 foot w/l flying only a 130 genoa trounced a larger fin keeler flying all sails in 20+ to windward by a wide margin. Wasn't so much a difference in speed,though I was slightly faster, as it was in pointing ability. I could point much higher.

There's a Catalina 34 and a Catalina 27 in my marina that can attest to my 'slow' full keel Cape Dory's ability to get to windward...Add wave action and it gets even more in favor of the full keel...

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Yeah, hard to generalize for sure. The Cape Dory's, Albergs etc have a "full"(?) keel that is severely cut awaybothe fore and aft . You could almost call them a fin with rudder atttached I suppose. .... which is the beauty of Carl's designs for sure....
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Old 26-12-2012, 00:07   #32
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Re: Long keel, full keel

Fuji 32 is a good choice for someone who likes to cruise. If you are out to race then it is not a good choice. It does not tack on a dime and doesn't turn quickly in a harbor. Once to sea and set a course it'll stay on track like a locomotive and that's what you want when you are going port to port. Learn to use the mizzen staysail and you'll have fun.
I had the same design in the Mariner 35 and once I learned to sail it properly it did very well for me. It had a 27 foot waterline and averaged 5+ knots from Hawaii to Washington State.
You should check the Fuji for soft spots in the cabin top and sides and the aft of the cabin trunk especially where there are ports. Check the deck for signs of soft areas. It is a sign of dry rot in the core under the fiberglass. It takes a lot of effort, time and money to correct those things.
If it checks out to be very good then it is a forever boat.
It's a full keel boat. Long keel too. I use the terms interchangeably.
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Old 26-12-2012, 10:17   #33
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A full keel has the rudder attached to the keel. The keel can have the forefoot cutaway to reduce reduce wetted surface and increase turning ability.

A fin keel is any boat that has the rudder separated from the keel, be it brewer notch, spade or skeg hung rudder. Length of keel can vary from next to nothing on current racing boats to nearly all the way back to the rudder. For us cruising types, the keel should be long enough for the boat to sit on the keel in a grounding or when taking the ground intentionally.
That would mean that Contessa 26 has a fin keel?

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That would mean that Contessa 26 has a fin keel?

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The Contessa rudder is attached to the keel:
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Re: Long keel, full keel

Then there's the little known sweet Brewer Jason 35, Full or skeg???
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The Contessa rudder is attached to the keel:

Ahh good point I must be getting muddled
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Then there's the little known sweet Brewer Jason 35, Full or skeg???

Wow I do like the look of that one. I'm going to say long keel.
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Then there's the little known sweet Brewer Jason 35, Full or skeg???
Brewer bite. Since the inventor says it's a full keel with a bite out of it I'll go with his definition.

Good Old Boat - Keel design: What's best? article
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The Cal boats designed by Bill Lapworth will suit you well. They are very stoutly built and sell well in all conditions. Technically, most of them are fin keels, although not very high aspect. They also are not the most attractive boats if you like classic cabins. They usually have great interior layouts. Just find one that you can stand up in and doesn't need too much work and you will be a happy sailor.
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