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Old 25-08-2010, 02:24   #1
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Lifting Keel

We like the southerly 115. Do you know of any other shallow water, twin helm sailboats in the 35-40 feet range?
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We like the southerly 115. Do you know of any other shallow water, twin helm sailboats in the 35-40 feet range?
Ovni and Garcia (both superior to a Southerly IMO), which are both aluminum hull boats but not twin helm. Just curious, why twin helm on a boat that size?
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Thanks Doodles. Twin Helms? Because they were on the
southerly and suggested the idea of sailing in the sun outdoors or sailing in rough weather indoors. The indoor helm might give a better view for canals. The idea of sailing from the lounge was appealing. So often sailing has meant me at the aft helming and my partner inside doing food and house. The indoor helm at the navigation table seems much more couple friendly. it is by no means essential, however.
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Old 25-08-2010, 04:56   #4
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How shallow? Ther is a bilge keeled Moody 33 Eclipse with twin steering positions, also a bigger 38.

Moody Eclipse 33 archive details - Yachtsnet Ltd. online UK yacht brokers - yacht brokerage and boat sales

Also a fisher perhaps:

Fisher 34 archive data - Yachtsnet Ltd. online UK yacht brokers - yacht brokerage and boat sales

Or how about this:

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Old 25-08-2010, 05:13   #5
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Thanks Doodles. Twin Helms? Because they were on the
southerly and suggested the idea of sailing in the sun outdoors or sailing in rough weather indoors. The indoor helm might give a better view for canals. The idea of sailing from the lounge was appealing. So often sailing has meant me at the aft helming and my partner inside doing food and house. The indoor helm at the navigation table seems much more couple friendly. it is by no means essential, however.
O.K., I was thinking you meant side by side helms like some of the newer boats, which I understand from a racing standpoint but not cruising. I can see the advantages of the inside/outside setup.
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33',34' a tad too small
I like the butterfly wings on the tjalk. Doyouhave to wear a horned helmet when at the helm?
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33',34' a tad too small
I like the butterfly wings on the tjalk. Doyouhave to wear a horned helmet when at the helm?
If you don't, you'll look like a real poser.
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There are plenty of twin helms out there. The sticker is the shallow draft, which is difficult to find. Of course, if you were creative, you could put another helm inside a shallow draft sailboat of your choice.
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Yes, the twin helms are a racing affectation, but in a boat like the Southerly 42 they increase the amount of usable cockpit space, since each wheel is smaller.

I like the Southerlys. There is real weight in the swing keel, which makes the boat stiffer, point better and improves the righting moment. The Alubat is just a centerboarder, not a swing keel.

I also like the Southerly twin rudders
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Add a helm

Perhaps I might look at sail by wire (or wireless] control inside. The most recent southerlies don't have a traditional wheel inside. It might miss the point of going sailing and it still needs to be a deck saloon so that you can see where you're going.
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Dujardin Icofrance, makes Lifting Keel alluminium boats with a nice raised saloon with internal wheel on choice.
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Dujardin Icofrance, makes Lifting Keel alluminium boats with a nice raised saloon with internal wheel on choice.
Thanks for posting this, I didn't know about them. The Integral 43 is very interesting, especially for colder climates.
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Can somebody illustrate to me what the lifting keel is? I know swing keel, wing keel, spade, etc. But only today am I hearing of lifting keel and in a bunch of places.
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the Southerly has a swing keel of cast iron.
The Macgregor has a daggerboard that you pull up into an enclosure through the boat.

Both lift (or swing, if you must) up out of the way to allow sailing or motoring in shallow waters such as canals
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The term Swing Keel is just a trademark name for Southerly own unique type of lifting keel. It swings up just like the Ovni, Garcia and Dujardin boats, as opposed to a daggerboard that drops straight down. All are considered "centerboards", it's just a matter of how the board goes up and down.
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