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Old 19-07-2011, 10:00   #46
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Re: Lifelines: vinyl versus uncoated?

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i use spectra line. no corrosion, no coating, cute colors.
zee - just curious how you attach the line to pulpits - use any fancy sacrificial lashings or shackles. Do you have boarding gate/gate eyes?
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zee - just curious how you attach the line to pulpits - use any fancy sacrificial lashings or shackles. Do you have boarding gate/gate eyes?
I use splices and 3mm Spectra lashings instead of turnbuckles. At the gates I use knots.

When you use Amsteel or Dynex dux the splice is so easy that you don't even need tools.

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Re: Lifelines - Vinyl vs Uncoated

I changed out covered for bare when my surveyor told me the insurance co would not accept covered. They feel fine when leaning on them. Look nicer also.
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Re: Lifelines - Vinyl vs Uncoated

to connect my spectra remnants to my stanchions, i use half hitches---a bunch of em, and bolines.....one on each side--i donot have entry gate areas--my lifelines stop at the waist of my boat, and then 2 ft abaft that, my decorative caprail begins with a scroll-like flourish....i have no stern rails of metal. i plan on making the forward lines solid to the waist of my boat with two rails forward and spectra midships as the second or lower line.
i like the cool colors.
i know lifelines are not what they say they are-- they do not save lives but cause much damage in falls and such. and i have always been taught never to trust them for safety. i have never been proven wrong-- they are not safe to haul or push or pull on-- just warnings that you are at the edge of the boat..


i love water worms/swim noodles-- they are great to use on dinks and bobstays and other uses--floatation and silencing devices. and comfort.
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Re: Lifelines - Vinyl vs Uncoated

Would love to see pics of spectra lines/lashings actually on a boat. Anyone have any?
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Would love to see pics of spectra lines/lashings actually on a boat. Anyone have any?
i dont have pix--i just use half hitches around the stanchion to secure the lines to the boat. i use them for my lower line on my formosa and i have them also on my ericson. the ones on my ericson are blue and indigo mix line and the ones on my formosa are various shades of green. no pix have been taken of either--the ericson is in sd and i am in mazatlan. i will be changing out the formosa to solid ss rails.
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Would love to see pics of spectra lines/lashings actually on a boat. Anyone have any?
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Re: Lifelines - Vinyl vs Uncoated

I walked down transpac row last night, and the consensus choice is uncoated lifelines with spectra lashings. The lashings commonly took turns around the pulpits as well as the welded attachment points, as the welds are weak points.
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Yes, well done. Allow me to point to the lashing going around the stanchion, not just through the welded-on eye. This outperforms steel lifelines big time.

I would've chosen a smaller thimble and looking at the photo I think one size smaller would still be good enough for radius?

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Re: Lifelines - Vinyl vs Uncoated

Not sure about the outperformance issue, but I have a completely different issue with the thimble chosen: why use metal?

I *like* the large eye; tends to be easier to snug up the splice, and of course a bit easier in lashing. But I don't see a need for a metal thimble; a nylon should work at least as well in this application. Great choice in avoiding the wire 'ears' on the thimble. Very seamanlike work.
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Very seamanlike work.
Thank you.

We have now had these lifelines on the boat for a year and have traveled all the way from Canada to Grenada. We continue to be happy with them.

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Not sure about the outperformance issue, but I have a completely different issue with the thimble chosen: why use metal?

I *like* the large eye; tends to be easier to snug up the splice, and of course a bit easier in lashing. But I don't see a need for a metal thimble; a nylon should work at least as well in this application. Great choice in avoiding the wire 'ears' on the thimble. Very seamanlike work.
Personally, I would go 1/4-inch and skip the thimble; the lashing is also textile. I saw the splicing; this was the sloppy one, I think. Beautiful work.

I would have used the weld-on eye in this case; on this specific boat it is a great place for a gate, which makes docking safer. A compromise, but for a cruiser falling near a dock is 1,400,000 times (a fun guess) more likely than weld failure, it's a cat, and we wear tethers. Transpac is a different question; perhaps I'd lash the gate closed for the duration.

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Thank you.

We have now had these lifelines on the boat for a year and have traveled all the way from Canada to Grenada. We continue to be happy with them.

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Personally, I would go 1/4-inch and skip the thimble; the lashing is also textile. I saw the splicing; this was the sloppy one, I think. Beautiful work.
<laughing> But I'm lazy! it's a pita to tight-lash a soft eye. Yah, the whole thing is so over-engineered it's silly, but what a nice touch to add a bit of sailorly arts to the boat. Imagine doing a bit of fancy whipping, some white knotwork for the gate, etc. Maybe, if you have a nice month in an desert atoll, serving or hitching the 'backrest' section of the lines with white cotton...

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