Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 21-07-2015, 15:45   #16
Senior Cruiser
 
Cheechako's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Skagit City, WA
Posts: 19,342
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

maybe the problem is that you don't need a big boat for a few people!
__________________

__________________
"I spent most of my money on Booze, Broads and Boats. The rest I wasted" - Elmore Leonard











Cheechako is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-07-2015, 17:31   #17
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Anacortes
Boat: previous - Whitby 42 new - Goldenwave 44
Posts: 1,735
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

Deerfoot 50. Great shorthanded boat.
__________________

__________________
exMaggieDrum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-07-2015, 18:41   #18
Registered User
 
Steady Hand's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Crewing All of 2017 Available Globally
Boat: OPB = Crewing in 2017
Posts: 4,851
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

Amel
(Recent Models are called: "54," "Super Maramu 2000,") These are all about 53 feet long or longer (54ft).

Deerfoot (Dashew designed boats)

Antares 44i (luxury catamaran designed for a couple)

____________________

All of the above are higher priced than average sailboats (most production boats).

For example the Antares 44i may be $750K or more.

The latest Amel 54 may be $1Million or more.
__________________

Other boats to view:

Gozzard

Boreal 44
__________________
Ahoy All Sailors! Need experienced crew for a passage or delivery in Atlantic, Pacific, Caribbean, Med, PNW, ICW, coastal or across an ocean anytime in 2017? I am available on 24hr notice. See my CF Profile "About Me" page for details. Happy to lend a hand!
Steady Hand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-07-2015, 21:27   #19
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Long Beach, CA
Boat: Pearson 36-2
Posts: 8
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

Thank you all for the feedback!

Amels are definitely nice and I have seen how the super maramou can accommodate quite large crews on S/V Delos. I also appreciate the idea of repurposing cabins but Id prefer the existing cabins were much larger from the get go.

Its an interesting observation that the big boats built to comfortably accommodate smaller crews are the high dollar ones. I definitely get excited about oysters but they are fairly pricey!
__________________
SailCarpeDiem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-07-2015, 23:48   #20
Registered User
 
hoppy's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Boat: Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 40
Posts: 2,842
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

Quote:
Originally Posted by SailCarpeDiem View Post
Thank you all for the feedback!

Amels are definitely nice and I have seen how the super maramou can accommodate quite large crews on S/V Delos. I also appreciate the idea of repurposing cabins but Id prefer the existing cabins were much larger from the get go.

Its an interesting observation that the big boats built to comfortably accommodate smaller crews are the high dollar ones. I definitely get excited about oysters but they are fairly pricey!
The cheaper yachts are also built for less, but you have to wade through the many charter versions that will be outnumbering the owners version in the market place.

You could always buy a 4x4 and take it to a shipyard to convert it to a 3 cabin. That should be relatively easy if it was designed for a 3 cabin version as well. Then you will end up with 3 cabins & 3 heads. You could then repurpose one on the heads as a laundry/wetroom. But that is perhaps only viable if you find a bargain, otherwise search a bit more for an original owners version.
__________________
S/Y Jessabbé http://www.jessabbe.com/
hoppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-07-2015, 00:50   #21
Registered User
 
TeddyDiver's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arctic Ocean
Boat: Under construction 35' ketch
Posts: 1,826
Images: 2
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

The same is also true with a tad smaller sail boats. That's the main reason why I went through one-off route (still building..). One cabin for a couple, two sea berths, separate head and shower which triples as a wet locker and a sauna. A pilot house with a nav table and a work bench. Dinghy bay under the sugar coop stern...
__________________
TeddyDiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-07-2015, 01:09   #22
Senior Cruiser
 
Kenomac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Adriatic Sea
Boat: Oyster 53 Cutter
Posts: 8,510
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

Quote:
Originally Posted by SailCarpeDiem View Post
Thank you all for the feedback!

Amels are definitely nice and I have seen how the super maramou can accommodate quite large crews on S/V Delos. I also appreciate the idea of repurposing cabins but Id prefer the existing cabins were much larger from the get go.

Its an interesting observation that the big boats built to comfortably accommodate smaller crews are the high dollar ones. I definitely get excited about oysters but they are fairly pricey!
Our boat is like a floating apartment with laundry, watermaker, generator etc., so we can be comfortable for the six months we spend at various anchorages through the Med.

Buy something with comfort in mind, you'll never regret it. Here's a picture of todays view off the stern deck in Le Grazie, Northern Italy. We'll be meeting up with Charlie from CF here on Friday.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpg
Views:	129
Size:	412.5 KB
ID:	105814  
__________________
Kenomac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-07-2015, 04:04   #23
Registered User
 
hoppy's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Boat: Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 40
Posts: 2,842
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

Quote:
Originally Posted by TeddyDiver View Post
The same is also true with a tad smaller sail boats. That's the main reason why I went through one-off route (still building..). One cabin for a couple, two sea berths, separate head and shower which triples as a wet locker and a sauna. A pilot house with a nav table and a work bench. Dinghy bay under the sugar coop stern...
My production boat comes with a sauna as standard

__________________
S/Y Jessabbé http://www.jessabbe.com/
hoppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-07-2015, 09:41   #24
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Houston
Boat: Beneteau Cyclades 51.4
Posts: 213
Images: 1
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

You can get a 2010-2011 charter Beneteau or Jeaneau 50 something for a good price since the owner is facing docking fees and what to do with a boat withdrawn from the charter fleet. Then you can have them convert the dual bow cabin to a huge single with a king bed in it!!!. That's what I did two years ago and I have been cruising with family and friends all over the Carrib in my 51.4 Beneteau.
__________________
sailon46 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-07-2015, 09:43   #25
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Salt Lake City
Boat: Gulfstar 50
Posts: 30
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

It reminds me of what my father used to say. Whenever he was asked how many people his 48' Tollycraft would sleep, his reply was " 2 VERY comfortably"
__________________
Mojadito is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-07-2015, 10:33   #26
Registered User
 
Cadence's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SC
Boat: None,build the one shown of glass, had many from 6' to 48'.
Posts: 6,053
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

Quote:
Originally Posted by robert sailor View Post
The best cruising boat layout drinks 6 feeds 4 and sleeps 2.
__________________
Cadence is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-07-2015, 10:49   #27
Registered User
 
redhead's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: PNW 48.59'45N 122.45'50W
Boat: Ian Ross design ketch 63'
Posts: 764
Images: 5
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

We searched pretty intensively for 5 years (couch searching; Yachtworld, etc. with trips to boats that seemed interesting). I found that older boats (pre-2000 and one off's) met our criteria which was more room, less berths. I think the demand for charter boats circa 2000 and forward trickled into the entire market and production boats reflected that ("sleeps 25"). Amels, Oysters, et al met our space criteria but not our budget. We have berths for 7 but have converted the bow cabin into office, parts warehouse and generally "the attic" stuff. Still have plenty of room for guests and crew.

Hope this helps. If you don't mind older that may be the way to go.
__________________
redhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-07-2015, 13:49   #28
Registered User
 
Ericson38's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Virginia
Boat: Taswell 49 Cutter
Posts: 187
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenomac View Post
Our boat is like a floating apartment with laundry, watermaker, generator etc., so we can be comfortable for the six months we spend at various anchorages through the Med.

Buy something with comfort in mind, you'll never regret it. Here's a picture of todays view off the stern deck in Le Grazie, Northern Italy. We'll be meeting up with Charlie from CF here on Friday.

I agree with this recommendation. Make sure you have the time to maintain and use the comfort-convenience equipment though, including loading the generator, exercising the bow thruster, HF rig and tuner, windlass, inverter-charger, and work all the through hulls routinely, & checking their bonding wires.

Our water maker is still pickled, and with 240 gallons fresh water, sailing on the Chesapeake, I don't need it.
The washer dryer has a leaking water pump seal, from non use of the PO.

We wanted something larger than a Taswell 43 (too cramped for our last boat) and would have preferred a two cabin 46 or 47 version, but Taswell only made them in 43-49-56 lengths. At 39,00 lbs on the slings it is heavy, but it actually easy to maneuver in close spaces. Its the haul/store/slip and bottom paint material and labor that will get your attention though.

And at this level of investment, get a reference anode so you can make sure your galvanic protection is at the correct level and effective.
__________________
Ericson38 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-07-2015, 03:00   #29
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Switzerland
Boat: Outbound 46 -Callisto
Posts: 149
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

An Outbound 46 might meet your needs. We have cruised ours for five years in the Caribbean, and have found her to work extremely well for a couple with occasional guests. She has two staterooms. The forward one is luxurious, the aft berth is a bit tight but fine for guests for a week or two. If you make them too comfortable, they are apt to stay too long! A unique feature is the "Garage." Instead of a second aft stateroom, we have a large workroom. We have a washer/dryer installed there, as well as our watermaker, and lots of storage for tools and spares. All easy to get to, and much more useful than another berth.

Outbound Yachts - Offshore Performance / Liveaboard Comfort

David
s/v Callisto
__________________
DMCantor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2015, 15:00   #30
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Vancouver
Boat: Island Packet 445
Posts: 53
Re: Less is More, Large cruisers not designed to sleep 18 of your closest friends

Have a look at the Island Packets. We have an IP445 which is extremely roomy for 2 of us but easily sleeps 4 comfortably and 6 if you want people in the salon. The boat has been replaced by the IP465 which is the identical boat from the stern lazarette forward but they took away the scoop transom and added 2' to the lazarette. Here's a drawing of the interior.
Click image for larger version

Name:	IP465_Interior.jpg
Views:	104
Size:	95.7 KB
ID:	106919
__________________

__________________
luciarose is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cruise, cruiser

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Self Designed Large Capacity Compost Head ElGatoGordo Plumbing Systems and Fixtures 126 22-01-2014 03:46
boom less, track less staysail advice Abrain Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 17 19-12-2013 09:57
Closest Anchorage to Virginia Beach nv5l Atlantic & the Caribbean 7 27-11-2011 04:44
The closest to a sea I'm going to get anathema Off Topic Forum 8 13-12-2008 20:50



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:41.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.