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Old 24-01-2014, 15:08   #76
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

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If you follow this link you will find my rig well represented under the search engine Cutter Ketch Images. https://www.google.com/search?q=cutt...w=1120&bih=708

For what its worth you picky bozos, the fore stay is Profurl 52 with two tracks. We can run up a second head sail in the alternate track for wing & wing with a pole. The #1 genoa, 135% stays there always. It weighs over 200 # and folds like double thick corrugated cardboard. The inner stay from the upper spreaders is permanent with a Profurl 42 also with two tracks. Its sail also stays put. I don't own a hank-on sail. No boat have ever sailed or raced had hank-on stuff. The inner staysail overlaps the mast at about 110%. All permanent stays are 3/4 inch and there are running backs to the inner fore stay and run over dedicated winches aft in the cockpit. There is a 190% code zero (new this summer) for winds less than 5 (normal summer here). There happens to be yet another permanent inner (lower) stay from the lower spreaders. There is also an AS spinnaker. You see the mizzen and mizzen staysail from the photo. My cousin happens to have the sister ship which is a sloop. We have identical 80 foot masts placed at the same location. I have an additional 48 foot mizzen placed over the ample aft deck. We sail as well to weather as most boats in the fleet and run off the wind better than most and in most conditions. I love to fly past with kite, genoa, staysail, main, mizzen staysail and mizzen all flying at once.

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Old 24-01-2014, 15:30   #77
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

We only had one forestay with rolling furling on our yawl. Our head sails consisted of a 170% genoa, 150% genoa and a 100% jib. Our boat has a low aspect rig. The genoas were good for off the wind sailing in light to moderate winds but would be a handful beating up wind. The jib was perfect for beating up wind and also for heavy air.
During the refit we are in the process off we are installing a solent rig with two rolling furling headstays. The inner being only about a foot behind the outer and parallel to it. The way we figure it we will not be tacking the genoa very often were we would have to roll and unroll it to do so. The jib well be available for beating to weather and heavy air all the time.
We know this system worked well except it was a pain changing sails on the single furler and was also a pain finding a place to store the not used sail especially the 170% genoa.
We have our fingures crossed the rolled up genoa and smaller sail area of the set back jib does not effect performance of the jib to much.
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Old 24-01-2014, 17:54   #78
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

What do you call this?
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Old 24-01-2014, 18:02   #79
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A nice lookin boat..
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Old 24-01-2014, 18:17   #80
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

That's a cutter rigged sloop. Much more common than a true cutter.

Tacking the jib would be tough. Probably the inner forestay was positioned so far forward to take it out of the cabin.
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Old 24-01-2014, 18:31   #81
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

Let me ask the designer,,,,,,,,,,, hang on,,,,,, got it,,,,,,,,he says it's just a red boat. He said, it most certainly is not a "cutter rigged sloop" and he doesn't even know what that is.

He thinks Boatman nailed it. Good on ya Boatman.
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Enjoying your field trip Snaggs? Lol

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Old 24-01-2014, 20:21   #83
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

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Let me ask the designer,,,,,,,,,,, hang on,,,,,, got it,,,,,,,,he says it's just a red boat. He said, it most certainly is not a "cutter rigged sloop" and he doesn't even know what that is.

He thinks Boatman nailed it. Good on ya Boatman.
That would be "Red boat with smallish sails" We gave up trying to tack our genoa without first partly furling. It was hard on the sail and/or dangerous to the fore deckman. (me) After getting whacked a couple of times, skin abrasions and burns and nearly dragged overboard we bought a milwaukee 1/2 inch 28 volt rt-angle drill motor with 2:1 reduction and I made an adapter at the shop. 7/8 keystock works pretty well. It takes only a minute to bring the clew to the inner furler stay and all from the cockpit. Even in light wind this is the best for us. The staysail easily furls without the motor - also from the cockpit.
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

case in point on 140 and staysail working together in 15 knots wind, boat speed? 7.2 most of the time. had a video, will look for it again
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

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That's a cutter rigged sloop. Much more common than a true cutter..
Common oxymoron..
It's just having an extra stay as a sailbag..
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

We called those slutters
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We called those slutters
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

A Excellent post.... After I put in my 2 cents worth I then wondered if I even addressed the question? I will keep your "2-Cents" worth handy as I look to increase the sail inventory on my GS-50.
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

I have 45 ft cutter with a 140% genny and a self-tacking staysail. Tacking is a pain and especially single-handed. I too furl the head sail, tack, and let it back out. Going to windward, I love to be in 15-25 knots. Under those conditions I only use the self-tacking staysail which is joy. (just turn the wheel and off you go )
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Re: Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

Last outing of 2012 we lucked into a N-NW predicted 10 -15 for Thursday through Sat, switching N to E over Sunday or Monday. We had been looking forward to a favorable wind to make due west to Milwaukee for some time. Started out as predicted but built to 24 knots about 15 miles offshore. We made the 70 mile transit in 9 hours. Our top speed was 11.4 with that staysail and the main about 70%. Over the transit, we used in combination; mizzen, mizzen staysail, main, genoa, staysail. The return started with the AS kite and ended just as the transit over with 20+ on a close reach. Most of the ride was between 8.5 and 10.5 Top according to GPS was 11.4. My cousin reported reaching for days at 15 in trades crossing the Pacific on his Camper.
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