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Old 26-09-2017, 15:47   #1
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Hi folks.. A friend is planning an all female West to East N Atlantic crossing from Halifax to Falmouth Uk and is looking for some help re-routing and best time to do it..
All serious advice will be much appreciated and passed on.. PDF's of relevant pages to my email address welcome..
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Re: Jimmy Cornell routes..

Wot..???
No suggestions.. advice.. I dont believe it..
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It was the part about "all serious advice....". We got nothin'.
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Here's a blog on a recent crossing by friends New Foundland to Ireland on a Valiant 40, or attempted crossing.
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Outstanding info is to be had from the US Dept of Defence in their pilot charts here:
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Wot..???
No suggestions.. advice.. I dont believe it..
If I was doing that trip, I would ask you

Perhaps research the mad Brit single handed race "OSTAR" or Jester Challenge. They go every 2nd or 4th year across and back and the Azores in between years. The dates for departure and return will be the interesting bits.

There was a good article about 4 years ago in PBO of a young chap doing it in a Sigma 33 which was a wreck until he rebuilt it and then nearly won I think.

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Well.. CF has come up Trumps (if thats not now considered an insult) again.. Thanks all who PM'd and responded here.. Love this place..
Pete 7.. Did think about giving my 2 cents but shes a professional old gaffer skipper and daunts the hell outa me.. has done for years..
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Hi Phil, we sailed from St. John's to Western Ireland last August. I don't think that there are really any hard and fast rules. Stay below the centers of the lows, I suppose, but otherwise, it's really about routing on the fly. Halifax-Falmouth will be the same.

We wound up sailing mostly straight E. for the first 5 days, then were able to go direct for Ireland from then on out. The crossing took 8 days and change.

I'd say as long as they can get weather offshore, they should be able to adjust their latitude appropriately. My biggest concern wasn't really the summer lows up north, I was a lot more wary of what was happening in the tropics, honestly.

We sailed in early August. Probably July is a bit safer to avoid getting whacked by a recurving hurricane. If I'd had the choice, I would have left earlier, but other commitments pushed back our crossing time.

Hope that helps.

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Hi Phil, we sailed from St. John's to Western Ireland last August. I don't think that there are really any hard and fast rules. Stay below the centers of the lows, I suppose, but otherwise, it's really about routing on the fly. Halifax-Falmouth will be the same.

We wound up sailing mostly straight E. for the first 5 days, then were able to go direct for Ireland from then on out. The crossing took 8 days and change.

I'd say as long as they can get weather offshore, they should be able to adjust their latitude appropriately. My biggest concern wasn't really the summer lows up north, I was a lot more wary of what was happening in the tropics, honestly.

We sailed in early August. Probably July is a bit safer to avoid getting whacked by a recurving hurricane. If I'd had the choice, I would have left earlier, but other commitments pushed back our crossing time.

Hope that helps.

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She is currently offshore with some wanna be's giving tuition but I've sent her the link to this thread so she can look the info up here when she gets back next week..
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This was always one of my favorite pictures - fed my dreams while we were cruising. You could get round the world pretty well with just this printed on a place mat

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as to Halifax to UK . . . .

- Don't hit sable island while departing Halifax

- get under the icebergs under greenland which can sometimes mean going down as low as 40N. I always used canadian ice charts Result - Product Search - Canadian Ice Service but I presume the Americans have something similar. This late in the season, the ice is fortunately pretty far north.

- then as mentioned stay under the lows. I always liked running along 40N, but depending on the low tracks at the time of the voyage you might be able to shorten the distance (as some increased risk) by being further north.

- then you need to turn north sometime. For me that was usually when I was roughly north of the Azores, but again could depend on the specific weather pattern

I have Cornell but he does not provide all that much wisdom on this route.
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Hi folks.. A friend is planning an all female West to East N Atlantic crossing from Halifax to Falmouth Uk and is looking for some help re-routing and best time to do it..
I agree with Evans. There isn't a whole lot of help in World Cruising Routes (WCR) on this route. I think if you asked Jimmy today he would suggest to go further South than the routes in WCR based on his work in the World Cruising Atlas. Herb Hilgenberg would tell you the same. I certainly do - Halifax to Azores to Falmouth.

Tell her not to forget to wipe her feet.

As far as sending you PDFs of pages I'll be more than happy to sell you the whole book. There are six boxes of WCR in my basement awaiting the boat show">Annapolis Boat Show. Amazon.co.uk has them. You can stop by the OCC clubhouse and read it there.
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i can't add much to the good advice,but reccomend that the boat is at least 100 foot, they all sail bare chested and barefoot,as boys would..........and take lots of photos
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Re: Jimmy Cornell routes..

Pretty much what I would do.. run SE.ish to the Azores then head to the UK.. only caution is the N wall of the Stream where the Labrador current meets up.. got dumped on by a rogue which punched out a bulkhead and I turned back for the States for repairs.. this was NNE of Bermuda..
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