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Old 20-08-2015, 18:37   #16
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Re: Jib Line catching on shroud

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Use a single line sheet with a Brummel splice at the sail clew. This is an example but you'll have equal length ends and leave out burying the tail.

http://www.animatedknots.com/brummel...Categ=splicing

Just pass each tail through the other and you are done. Solved all issues that I had with knots hanging up on the shrouds. Now tacking is just a matter of releasing sheet on one side and pulling it in on the other, never a hang up. Worked great and doesn't try and pull through which was a concern I had when I first did it. Used it on my furling genoa and no problems even with 10 straight days on the same tack to Hawaii.

Hate spliced sheets with shackles. Actually hate any line with a shackle. Have the scars to prove why. Waste of money for the shackles and the damn things hurt like hell when they hit you, and they will, in the head or other parts on a flogging sail.
I did this as well, but I did the splice around a plastic thimble and used a soft shackle to attach it to the sail. This way I can swap head sails, or fold the sails in the fall without dealing with the line, the sail is heavy and cumbersome enough as it is.

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Old 20-08-2015, 19:07   #17
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Re: Jib Line catching on shroud

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I have a 1974 CT-41 that I've been lovingly refitting for a Mexico cruise this Fall. All's going well however regardless of my various adjustments of the track sliders the jib lines always seem to hang up on the shrouds when tacking requiring me to go forward and help them around. I've retied the bowlines as small as I can get them. Any suggestions re how I might improve this frustrating problem would be greatly appreciated.
Is it the knot or the clew plate? On my boat it was actually the clew plate, not the knot.

The solution was not a different knot, but rather a loop that allowed the clew plate to float way from the stay. The sheets are attached to the loop, not the clew.



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Old 21-08-2015, 09:30   #18
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As Stu and others suggest, try back winding the Genoa as you tack until there is pressure on it. That will also help the bow around. Before you release take up the slack on your new leeward sheet and it will almost self tack with a minimum of sheet to haul in. Depending on overlap of course.

Try tying your bowlines with the tails the other way around. Does it happen on both sides or only one side. If one side only its probably the way you tie the bowlines.


I've fitted the lower ends of my shrouds with purpose made / for sale split PVC tubes that click together and act like a roller. I forget the brand. The sail can never hang up and it is easier for you to hang onto going fwd.


I packed my Genoa away and use a jib. Faster upwind. I use a gennaker otherwise. That of course depends on your sail plan and in the NZ tradition I have a large main.


You might have a deck scraping Genoa for so called end plate effect. If you're cruising forget that and have the clew cut higher so it is above the lifelines keeping the tack (bottom front) in the same place.


Then it will be much much better reaching as the sheet won't create a curve in of the sail when it's eased. It will go just as well upwind and may fix your problem.
Get sailmaker advice about that as your sheeting position will change and the track may not go aft far enough.


That will also greatly improve the visibility under the sail.


Low cut Genoa are for crewed racing with the crew helping it around. Then they use a spinnaker instead of easing the Genoa sheets much.
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Re: Jib Line catching on shroud

I've had this problem more from trying to haul in the sheet too fast. When teaching new sailors I try to encourage them to take their time and allowing the sail to come over and being sure to relax the windward sheet.
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As Stu and others suggest, try back winding the Genoa as you tack until there is pressure on it. That will also help the bow around.
That's what I do. It seems like a smoother and quicker way to tack anyways. Definitely was on my old catamaran.
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I have a 1974 CT-41 that I've been lovingly refitting for a Mexico cruise this Fall. All's going well however regardless of my various adjustments of the track sliders the jib lines always seem to hang up on the shrouds when tacking requiring me to go forward and help them around. I've retied the bowlines as small as I can get them. Any suggestions re how I might improve this frustrating problem would be greatly appreciated.
Consider putting a made eye on the sheets and lashing with spectra to the clew instead of knots.
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Re: Jib Line catching on shroud

We had the same porblem with our sheets hanging up on our Baby stay.
I put I splices in the jib sheets and hooked them to the clew with a soft shackle and all has been well ever since.
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Re: Jib Line catching on shroud

Is a cow hitch really strong enough for jib sheets? To me it looks like it needs tension on both sides to hold...and usually only one sheet is in tension.

I use bowlines, like the OP. However, sometimes I use double 8's...its more of a climbing knot, but it will not come undone.

I have the same trouble with the clew getting caught. I have the white shroud plastic rollers...no help at all. However, as soon as the wind catches the sail, it takes care of itself. I just tell my crew "wait for it".
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Is a cow hitch really strong enough for jib sheets? To me it looks like it needs tension on both sides to hold...and usually only one sheet is in tension.
Yes, it is. Or else so many skippers wouldn't use it, unless they had extremely slippery line.
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Re: Jib Line catching on shroud

I don't recall any discussion from the OP regarding the rig, stays or sail size & shape. We have cutter stay with a ProFurl 40 to the upper spreaders, fixed stay to the lower spreaders. With a 130% genoa, there is no way to tack without partly furling the jib. In our case, this is way less wear on the sail and far less dangerous than wrestling with an angry flapping sail. In addition, the clew is 12 feet off the deck so also unreachable. If the bowline at the clew is not smooth side-in then by all means turn it over. I do really like the suggestion of the endless loop through the clew so the new sheet can pass around the stay before the clew, followed by the lazy sheet. This should fly around easily as long as the loop does not twist.
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