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simonmd · 13-01-2011, 16:58

Came accross these interesting boats that seem to have been built in the mid to late '80's. They are a 34ft deck saloon sloop that seem to just cram light and space inside, giving you a decent double with standing headroom amidships, conventional v berth to the front and a large open plan saloon/galley to aft with large windows and a second internal helm.

Seems like an ideal boat for someone like me making the transition from motor to sail, giving a nice balance of easy to manage size but still having a decent amount of space. Anyone have experience or opinions on them?

Also, how come there doesn't seem to be a newer equivilant? There are some makes of Deck Saloons in the 45ft+ range but I don't know of any in this size, were they not popular?

Hydra · 14-01-2011, 13:02

I have no personal opinion on this boat (seen one in a marina a few years ago, the owner was happy with it).

But My book (in French) about older sailing yachts says that it is a comfortable motor-sailer (architect: Philippe Briand), the hull is designed for sailing, the engine is powerful (30 to 60HP). On the centerboard version, a manual hydraulic ram is used to raise the centerboard. Even with a powerful genoa, it is slow in light airs; it is better suited to stronger winds, able to beat to windward without helping with the engine. Jeanneau built 228 of them.

It seems that motor-sailers went out of fashion 20 years ago in France.

Alain

SaltyMonkey · 14-01-2011, 13:34

Beneteau evasion is another option

simonmd · 14-01-2011, 15:22

Thanks for the heads up Salty, the Benateaus seem older so I guess they were the first to come up with the concept. Shame there's nothing similar a bit newer about but they do all look like great little boats to live aboard.

SaltyMonkey · 14-01-2011, 15:43

Im not sure what is newer, but if you like pilot houses and motor sailers, search yachtworld.com

Vyndance · 14-01-2011, 15:53

Simon, do a search on Nauticat. I have to think the best motorsailer around. And no it is not a catamaran!

SaltyMonkey · 14-01-2011, 16:10

Nauticat is nice, but beefy. There are some listings here:

NauticatUSA

I like Fischers myself in the beefy line

FISHER OWNERS GROUP: Fishers For Sale

but there are faster PH and MS out there...yachtworld your heart and $ out.

**Pete7** · 14-01-2011, 16:21

There is also a Moody Eclipse 33 and a 43 version.

Pete

SaltyMonkey · 14-01-2011, 16:38

ooOOoooooh lets not forget the Moody.

I have too many dreams to list here

simonmd · 14-01-2011, 17:55

That Moody is soooooo pretty, but then, aren't they all?

bljones · 14-01-2011, 19:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey

Beneteau evasion is another option

That right there is a surrender-monkey joke waiting to happen.

Serica · 16-01-2011, 10:22

The slightly larger and newer Espace 1100 (motorsailer version of the Sun Fizz) was sailed around the world in the early 1990s by a Japanese guy, see:

Espace 1100

I have been on board a couple, the central helm position appeard to work quite well and is near to the windscreen

There is not a lot on the web about any of the Espace models (660, 800. 990, 1000, 1100 & 1300) , but basic specs are at: Alize - Fantasia

and there is some useful detail on a charter site for the smaller sibling the Espace 990 at Windsong Sailing Charters - Jeanneau picture gallery - saling trips Tampa Bay and Clearwater Beach

**boatman61** · 16-01-2011, 10:53

I preferred the Evasions...
Below the 36 and then the 32 Ketch version which was nice... if you want a nose its here... http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/37547/ .... http://en.cosasdebarcos.com/barco_56...957664554.html

SaltyMonkey · 16-01-2011, 11:04

DROOOL!!! =)...............

red beard · 18-01-2011, 15:46

My father has an espace 1000 and I have a moody 33, the espace beats it on every point of sailing and inside is like a luxury apartment. Great boat, is in no way like a motor sailor.

If you want to know anything specific let me know