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Old 20-12-2014, 13:02   #16
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Re: It's About Cutters

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Interesting boat. Link to page with photos en francais-
http://users.skynet.be/p.balta/etoilehori2.html
Yes it is interesting I agree but nobody seems to want it. Some years back it was for sale at a lower price.

Regarding what the OP said, the cutter has advantages in what regards using two sails of different sizes already on furlers, but regarding this "Billed as the fastest of the sailboats" that was long ago. A Bermudan sloop is faster.

Patrick Balta, the Na has designed several modern gaff rig sailboats. I remember Saudade that I found particularly beautiful at the time.
http://www.balta.fr/page1.html
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Interesting boat. Link to page with photos en francais-
http://users.skynet.be/p.balta/etoilehori2.html
Pretty cool boat. Reminds me a bit of Perry's NightRunner. Traditional above and not below!
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Old 23-12-2014, 21:48   #18
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Re: It's About Cutters

No gaff rig experience but a Marconi cutter is efficient and has lots of sail combinations available, all inboard rig too.
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Old 24-12-2014, 00:03   #19
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Re: It's About Cutters

No cutter here but I like the Gaff rig "experience".

If simple equals a low parts count or parts and components that can be homemade, then it is hard for me to imagine a Marconi rig that is more simple than this:

No winches
No sail tracks
No spreaders
No backstay or running backstays
No boom vang
No special extrusions.
No Cast fittings

The 2 shrouds and one headstay are terminated with "eyes" on the ends. Tops of shrouds pass around mast and bear on welded hounds so no fittings aloft.

Spars are schedule 40 aluminum pipe with all tangs attached by welding. Except for the tabernacle bolts and another large bolt that is the boom goose-neck, there is not a single fastener present in this mast - no other bolts, no screws, no rivets.

Yes, I have one extra halyard, lacing lines and quite a few blocks.

I do not yet have a tops'l but I figure the peak will be hoisted on the flag halyard and the other two corners can be controlled by a line reeved on demand.

Panope is a fairly tender boat and I already have the ability to "fly" a second head-sail. A tops'l would mostly be a novelty.

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Re: It's About Cutters

Steve,
PANOPE looks so nice.
Thanks for adding the details you did about the simplicity of the gaff rig. I enjoyed reading that while looking at the photo. The brilliant blue foresail looks nice too.

Did PANOPE have a bowsprit at one time?
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Old 24-12-2014, 00:23   #21
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Thanks, Steady Hand.

Yes, She had a bowsprit and another mast also. I got a wild hair one day and decided to make a few changes.

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I think she was beautiful as a schooner.
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Old 24-12-2014, 09:39   #23
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Re: It's About Cutters

Many dont know what a true cutter really is and I've run across people that had them and didnt know they did..
My biggest gripe about a true cutter is the mast drops right through the center of the saloon in most cases.. hate setting around the settee and having to dodge from side to side to talk to someone on the other side..
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Re: It's About Cutters

I hope you get your schooner. But let me say a few things. There are a few people who are armchair sailors here who write reams and reams of personal or copied and attached information, who claim to be looking for boats. In the end you should buy what makes you happy.
I love my little sloop. She is simple and is getting me where I need to go....a season at a time. Currently she is in Mexico. In a year or so, the South Pacific. I would love to have a schooner. I know (for me) if I did, I probably could not afford it. This is the same for me with a gaff cutter. I'm assuming I would end up with a woody if I did. I'm not afraid of wood and prefer them to steel. This is after building 2 steels for myself and helping a friend build his.
All that said....Buy what tugs at your heart strings. Look at the on going costs...what your objective is and ask professionals, like surveyors. Especially older ones who have had experience with what you're looking for.
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Re: It's About Cutters

Good advice from CS. (what can I say, no BS from CS) The cutter comment is true too, my mast goes right through our settee, in fact, the table is attached to the mast! But we love her.
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Steve (Panope),

Thanks for answering and for posting the before and after photos.

I keep scrolling between those two photos and really can say I like the looks of both! So, it appears Panope has a double life!

In both rigs she looks great and I find this interesting too, to see how one boat can be transformed. You did an admirable job.
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I came across a photo today of a pair of cutters that I thought you folks might enjoy seeing. This photo was made off St. Tropez, France.

They are close. Any two sailboats makes it a race, no?
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Steve (Panope),

Thanks for answering and for posting the before and after photos.

I keep scrolling between those two photos and really can say I like the looks of both! So, it appears Panope has a double life!

In both rigs she looks great and I find this interesting too, to see how one boat can be transformed. You did an admirable job.
Yeah... cool boat! I can see how Version 2 is an easy to sail rig...
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Old 24-12-2014, 13:32   #29
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No cutter here but I like the Gaff rig "experience".

If simple equals a low parts count or parts and components that can be homemade, then it is hard for me to imagine a Marconi rig that is more simple than this:

No winches
No sail tracks
No spreaders
No backstay or running backstays
No boom vang
No special extrusions.
No Cast fittings

The 2 shrouds and one headstay are terminated with "eyes" on the ends. Tops of shrouds pass around mast and bear on welded hounds so no fittings aloft.

Spars are schedule 40 aluminum pipe with all tangs attached by welding. Except for the tabernacle bolts and another large bolt that is the boom goose-neck, there is not a single fastener present in this mast - no other bolts, no screws, no rivets.

Yes, I have one extra halyard, lacing lines and quite a few blocks.

I do not yet have a tops'l but I figure the peak will be hoisted on the flag halyard and the other two corners can be controlled by a line reeved on demand.

Panope is a fairly tender boat and I already have the ability to "fly" a second head-sail. A tops'l would mostly be a novelty.

Steve

Looks great Steve, have I seen panope before ? perhaps anchored off PT wooden boat show. Just back from the sail loft (Schatuarer ) looking to add a topsail to Avalons inventory, your probably right about the novelty . Should be a royal pita to rig every time, but the light wind benefits truly befit a traditional rig more so than our screecher.
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Stonefloat,

Panope and I attended the festival this year but we were not anchored at anytime. Only sailing about with the fleet of old wooden vessels tying not to spoil the ambiance with errant metallic clanks.

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