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Old 27-11-2014, 05:57   #1
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Currently own Catalina 36 which we have on the market as we look at slightly larger boat. I am well aware of all the neg comments on IPs. However, the boat does meet many of our long and short term needs and requirements. My main concern is with the fuel tank and the hassel of replacing if required. Question...how much of an issue is tank? Same holds for chain plates...how much of an issue are they since they are encapped?
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Old 27-11-2014, 12:13   #2
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Re: Island Packet

I think the answers on your questions depend on the model and year. Fuel tanks donít seem to fail as much as holding tanks, both are difficult, but not impossible to replace.

The tanks in the newer models have interior non-corressive coatings that help them last much longer.


If youíre looking at used boats, check the corner and fitting welds.


Not heard of problems with chain plates. I just re-bed mine every few years.


I have a lot of problems with IPís design on many aspects of my boat, but overall, they are minor problems. I love the quality of construction, itís stability and performance.


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Old 27-11-2014, 12:21   #3
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Re: Island Packet

I think the two issues you mention are common to many (most?) boats... so not really an Island Packet issue alone.
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Old 27-11-2014, 15:04   #4
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Thanks for quick replies. Looking at an IP 38 (1993) and a 40 (1995).
On my Catalina, I changed fuel tank out myself. It was a knuckle buster, but didn't cost a fortune. Less than $500, as i recall. On IPs, Ive heard horror stories abt having to cut out cabin sole & stringers and costs of MANY boat units. I'm just curious as to how much of an issue tanks going bad really is.
RE chain plates, I'm just use to being able to do a visual.


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Old 27-11-2014, 15:54   #5
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While I don't know the 1993 IP or any issues about the chain plates & fuel tank, I spent 2 weeks sailing a 2007 37 with thoughts of purchasing one. She was technically and mechanically outstanding. She had plenty of room to store supplies for longer trips: 160 gallons for fresh water & 75 gallons for fuel. She also had beautiful workmanship. However she was heavy and needed a lot of wind to make her go. We were coastal cruising up along the BC coastline with winds between 5-10 knots. Her 22,000 lbs of displacement were just too heavy to make any decent headway. We found her slow and cumbersome in those particular conditions. If I was planning for a lot of off-shore cruising she'd have my interest- but I find them too heavy and slow underway for coastal/light air sailing. So I suppose it depends on what kind of sailing you intend to do.

Replacing a fuel tank might be a pain in the butt- but certainly wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Bad chain and Plates might be another matter...

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Re: Island Packet

Some IP models had glassed in chain plates. That is an absolute no no that would have to be corrected for me to own one of those models. It's not all IP's so verify.

The PNW is an extreme light air area in the summer. A lot of sailboats don't even break out the sails. Full keel boats aren't at their best in these conditions but wouldn't rule them out for coastal cruising unless you will sail only in an extreme light wind area.
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If you choose the Ip, ask the surveyor to termal pic the chainplates if they are glased to the hull, they are a isue in the Ip`s , hard to visual inspect....
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Buy a newer IP which doesn't have the issues which concern you.
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Thanks for quick replies. Looking at an IP 38 (1993) and a 40 (1995).
On my Catalina, I changed fuel tank out myself. It was a knuckle buster, but didn't cost a fortune. Less than $500, as i recall. On IPs, Ive heard horror stories abt having to cut out cabin sole & stringers and costs of MANY boat units. I'm just curious as to how much of an issue tanks going bad really is.
RE chain plates, I'm just use to being able to do a visual.


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I have heard of quite a few IP owners having to replace their aluminum water tanks because they or the previous owner added some bleach to disinfect the water. Standing water in the bilge and/or galvanic corrosion has taken out lots of fuel tanks. Practical Sailor had at least one article regarding tank material, aluminum is their last choice. From what I can gather the tanks seem to last around 10 years before leaking.
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My tanks are 27 yrs old, and as far as I can tell are in good condition, at least on the outside, difficult to access the inside to really inspect well. I'm afraid they may look good right up to the day they begin to leak.
On mine the sole would have to come out to replace either as it appears that the water tank has to come out first and then slide the fuel tank forward to remove it, so it seems if your replacing one, replace them both.
There is a company out of Tx that replaces chain plates, I've heard it a $5K job, and the replacement plates are larger and out of a SS that is less likely to fatigue or corrode, but have also heard that Titanium is not that much more expensive and if you go Ti, you'll never have to worry.
My waste tank I could change out in a couple of hours as it's under the port Settee and the tank is slightly smaller than the access hole, so no cutting of anything. My waste tank was replaced in 02, so it's probably getting close to needing it again.
New waste tanks are I believe fiberglass, I had thought to replace my tanks with ones made from 316L, but there are issues there too, maybe Monel? Or seeing as how the aluminum ones have lasted 27 yrs so far, if replacement ones last that long, then it's be someone else's concern by then, I'll be too old to still be cruising.
The advantage of the IP tanks is they are big and located down low and in the center of the boat, but not easy to access.

Island Packet does have a rebuild / refurbishment program for their boats and I've good things about that, but I'm sure it's probably not cheap.

I had a list of things I was sure I needed to do before I started cruising, but the more I dig into this old boat, the more I'm finding most of the systems are fine, the electrical for example is in excellent shape
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Re: Island Packet

We sail an IP32. She is a 1994 model. The fuel and water tanks are in good shape, however we did change the holding tank (plastic). The chain plates concern us but we don't go that far off shore. If that changed, we would look into having the chain plates examined. Re-bedding them and keeping your teak well varnished, allowing the vanish to really surround the plates helps....a lot!

We sailed Whimsy on a fresh water lake and dealt with light air frequently. She did well in 10-15 knot winds, but at 15 knots, she took off! It really depends how you work your sails. IPs sail a bit differently and it takes some practice and finess to find their "sweet spots".

All in all, we love our IP. She is a smooth ride, to be sure.
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Moon river, what state is your boat in?
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123jashes our boat - Moon River - is in Brunswick, Ga...you interested?

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If you choose the Ip, ask the surveyor to termal pic the chainplates if they are glased to the hull, they are a isue in the Ip`s , hard to visual inspect....
I thought the only way to inspect for crevice corrosion was Xray? How does thermal pictures help? What is the procedure and what instruments are used?
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My wife and I will be in FL in January to buy a boat. We have pretty broad criteria: 34'-37', 1980's vintage, $30-40,000, lines lead aft. Do you have pics or is it too early for you to sell?
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