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Old 25-05-2012, 09:02   #16
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Re: Is There Snob Value in a Boat's Name?

Yes, though I'd question the term 'value' maybe 'appeal' would be better as it would only matter to snobs. Of course there are some people will never run out of things to judge you on. Do you care? If your boat gets you from here to there in good order that's all that matters.
That being said, when people as me what kind of boat I have, I tell them what it is. I found that most people who ask are curious as there are not many of these boats around and they've usually never seen one before
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Old 25-05-2012, 09:12   #17
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I am very much interested (as I am sure most others are) in seeing a pretty boat, well maintained in a seaworthy state. This will impress me, and reflects well on the boat's owner.

I do find however, that my opinion of the sailor is only a small part determined by the boat he sails.

Am I judging? Of course. It's human - we all do it (admitted or not). I just try to not take my judgements too serious.
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Old 25-05-2012, 09:26   #18
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Re: Is There Snob Value in a Boat's Name?

Well, I'm going to disagree. I think people ask, because it gives them a talking point. People ask us all the time, people who wouldn't know the difference between a Hunter and an Oyster. So, they just ASK.

What's funny is watching their reactions. Only maybe 1 in 10 sailors knows what a Macintosh is, they only built 16. Every once in a while, someone actually knows. It's hilarious.

I also think it's a WISE question to ask. We have what are now very good friends, that we'd met about 10 years ago. We were at a party of sailors, and a group was discussion boats. Someone said something about a certain kind of boat, and I inserted both feet into my mouth by saying "Those are the ugliest boats on the planet".

He responded with "Hi, I'm Greg. We have a XXXXX.". My response? "So... what position does she play?". This is a takeoff on the joke about Green Bay - "Only football players and hookers are in Green Bay. Oh, my wife's from Green Bay."

I apologized, and we all laughed. They have become great friends of ours. They still bring it up.
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It's not what you sail, but how you sail her. Hamburger in any package is still hamburger.
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Old 25-05-2012, 09:35   #20
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... Only maybe 1 in 10 sailors knows what a Macintosh is, they only built 16...
1 in 10 know its a type of apple.
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Old 25-05-2012, 09:47   #21
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Re: Is There Snob Value in a Boat's Name?

I like knowing what type boat, where it's moored, what sort of rigging and on and on. I'm curious. As it happens I like most boats so I'm not judging so much as filling in holes in my education.

I have heard people make some odd judgements based on almost any criteria you can name though so who knows what lurks in the hearts of men (or women).
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The worst for me is when I'm forced to acknowledge that I own a Westsail and I see in the interrogator's eyes that brief struggle for self control and I think to myself "oh ****, here we go again"

...and since mine is kinda small, I feel a little anxiety when asked how big it is.
If someone gave me a choice between a Westsail or a Ferrari.. I'd take the Ferrari, sell it the next day, then buy 4 Westsails (28, 32, 39 & 42). A different one for every week of the month

I love my ship, but ultimately for me, it's either a Westsail or a Gunboat.
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I'll bet you $10,000.00 that there is no sobbery about it!
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Old 25-05-2012, 10:58   #24
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Re: Is There Snob Value in a Boat's Name?

It depends on who is asking really.

If it's a landlubbers convention they generally don't have a clue (clew?) , so names mean nothing. Even ketch or cutter means nothing. "35ft wednesday afternoon club racer" or "traditional style little sailing ship with 2 masts" gets a lot more understanding. Hell, most of them don't even know what a cat or mono is, until you explain it.

On the other hand if it's a bunch of sailors in the bar after the race, and you say you've got a Leaky Teaky, they kinda recognise you as a distant cousin from a distant land.
If it's a bunch of cruisers around a barbeque on a distant island somewhere and you say you've got a Beneteau/Jeneaux/Bavaria... "Well, at least you made it..." (couldn't find a tongue in cheek icon)

But I think most of us just recognise a kindred spirit.
If they have a Swan, good boat, good taste, and a bit more coin than most.
If they have a Wharram, barefoot, barearsed adventurer.
Any high volume french, german, american production boat, probably the most practical general purpose boat for a city dweller.
Any really old, cheap production boat... poor bastard. He's got the addiction but not the bucks to feed it...

It's the next question that is far more interesting than 'what boat?'
and that is 'Do you get to sail her much???'
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Re: Is There Snob Value in a Boat's Name?

after having asked many about their boats i hve learned what it is to look for as far as reepairs in future and the bad...haha...point of each boat i have studied---like stringers in a westasil 43, liked damnear everything in formosa--lol--i bought tone of those anyway, as they handle weather damfine.....
when i anchor i want to know type of boat, name of boat and what anchor and chain nd how much scope is out....that was if it sails by me sans helmsman i knoow who to call on vhf....
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Re: Is There Snob Value in a Boat's Name?

I think sailing people are pretty snobbish. I would expect the same, if to a lesser extent, from any landlubber.

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If someone gave me a choice between a Westsail or a Ferrari..
Now there's something likely to happen
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Re: Is There Snob Value in a Boat's Name?

I tried to find my original post from years ago..but could not.

Here is a synopsis:

Started cruising in a 1970 Hurley 20. Serious small blue water boat built in U.K. Pretty rare these days.
Was in a REMOTE anchorage off Galveston bay when a 60' (give or take Swan pulled in.

Shortly, I heard a voice hailing me from a (really nice) dinghy.

This was 70+ year old man dressed in proper yachting attire.

Asked about my boat and the proceeded to gush about how much he liked it!!

Invited me over for sundown drinks/dinner. (his wife was as sweet as my own grandma and almost as good a cook)
Spent about three hrs. while he grilled me about my boat, where I'd been, where I was going and and also talked about his 60+ years of sailing.

This couple were obviously well heeled ($$$$$) but were interested in SAILING/CRUISING... not lording there $$$$.

This event showed me early on that cruisers (for the most part) are interested in other cruisers and their boats and not what's in your cruising kitty.
I have encountered PLENTY of boat snobs but they generally have been dock-sailors (come down on the weekend and never leave the slip) or folks who have a boat for the status of it.
Of course I now own one of the finest vessels afloat but I promise to not look down on anyone.... even if they sail an Oyster, Gunboat, etc.

I look forward to meeting YOU out there

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Now there's something likely to happen
One never knows... I have a knack for finding free things
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Re: Is There Snob Value in a Boat's Name?

just an added note...
about the same time as the above story, I was in Watergate marina . Next door was the new "expensive" marina. Watergate marina seemed to have MANY snobs...avg income (at the time) 100,000.00 +
Next door.. very few snobs...avg income 1,000,000.00+

go figure
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