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01-04-2019, 15:38
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Location: Maine, USA
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
Great in the water and ...on the road. John Letcher's design - Aleutka 29
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01-04-2019, 15:59
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#47
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Location: Maine, USA
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
Better Picture
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01-04-2019, 17:07
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#48
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Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Adelaide
Boat: Adams 31 aft cockpit
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
If I had a better memory I'd happily provide references but alas..
I do however remember reading someone of note, possibly Chay Blythe, say that they are terrible in big breaking ocean seas and that he would not sail one again - something about jumping alarmingly from one keel to the other running off waves, making steering and general control very difficult in heavy weather.
I have never sailed one myself, and can certainly appreciate the advantages in less perilous conditions. Maybe that example just had very poor geometry/keel alignment, but I would certainly want to see what she does planing down a mountain before considering a purchase for myself.
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01-04-2019, 20:52
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#49
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Hamburg / GERMANY
Boat: Reinke 13 M Ice (45 ft aluminium sloop)
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Norbert1
We have a Bilge Keel.
Reinke 12 m long.
We are sailing around the world since 2004.
Now we are once around in the caribean.
If you sail around the world usaly you dont have a income.
So haul out the Boot for antfouling is a easy 1000$
Job.
That is good for one year about.
With the Bilge keel we can stay on low tide on every place with enough tide.
But that is not only because of money, we like to stay away from civilization. And for haul out you have to go to marinas with dirty water and to many people.
In general, a deep keel provides better sailing performence.
But compared to a shallow draft single keel the performence is better.
Of course we have other advantages.
We have shallow draft so we can enter atolls much easier and stay on shallow places.
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Hallo Norbert! Liebe Grüße an Antje!
Tatjana und ich sind z.Z. in Oona River, Porcher Isl., im N von British Columbia. Sind seit 2016 wieder unterwegs. Alles Gute und immer die berühmte Handbreit.
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01-04-2019, 21:03
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#50
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: On Vessel WINGS, wherever there's an ocean, currently in Mexico
Boat: Serendipity 43
Posts: 5,508
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
I really don't know much about twin keels. Do you mean like this?
The Swiss brought it to New Zealand for the 2000 AC but never got it going good, then broke their only mast and went home.
Doug P told me he liked the hull shape without the twin keels.
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And I thought it would make a good cruising boat, but Alinghi bought it.
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01-04-2019, 21:10
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#51
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
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Originally Posted by mowerandy
I would certainly want to see what she does planing down a mountain before considering a purchase for myself.
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Then I guess you'll never buy one since that is not a condition you'd often encounter on sea trials, or any other time either.
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02-04-2019, 03:35
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#52
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Solent, England
Boat: Moody 31
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
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Originally Posted by gkee
Is a twin keel a good option for a first timers? 28-32 ft range. I would plan to learn to sail in the Caribbean with first long trip to the Amazon but would want a boat capable of ocean passages. The shallow draft is what attracts me. Other suggestions?
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I am not sure the shallow draft in the Caribbean will be a real advantage.
How are you going to get to the Amazon? Certainly not directly from the Caribbean because you will be sailing thousands of miles against both wind and current and you won't make it. It has been discussed before on CF, so worth doing a search.
Pete
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03-04-2019, 19:04
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#53
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Gabriola Is. BC
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
I've owned a couple of Westerlys. An advantage not yet mentioned is ease to trailer the boat, on readily available trailers, either one's own, or hired. That requires a crane or travel lift, to haul or launch. It makes sense for once a year in and out, or to trailer to a remote cruising ground.
Keel configuration aside, Westerlys are very well designed and built. In BC and the Puget Sound, they turn up at reasonable prices.
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14-05-2019, 09:30
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#54
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Join Date: May 2019
Boat: Kingfisher K20 20.8'
Posts: 64
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
If you sail in 19ft tides and you miscalculate the tides for the next morning you can really appreciate a bilge keel when you don't wake up sideways with the tide roilling into the berth.
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29-05-2019, 22:31
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#55
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Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: picton , NZ
Boat: boatles ,first time in 50 yrs.
Posts: 35
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
I had a 44ft twin keeler in ferro sold it to a friend who did thousands of miles off shore in her , a little slower then a mono keeler but great for maintenance in remote placers , slammed a bit hard on the wind in anything over 2 meter seas & if you ever did run aground you couldn't pull on the mast to list her off the mud but over all never payed for slipping her .
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06-06-2019, 04:10
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#56
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Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Newfoundland
Boat: Beneteau
Posts: 671
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
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Originally Posted by hellosailor
I would suggest, from the other side of the Atlantic, that there never was an era of twin-keelers. They were always considered by the world at large to be a clever kludge job of no use to anyone UNLESS they needed a boat that would sit upright on the ground when the tide ran out. Useful in parts of the UK and Newfoundland, yes, but counterproductive for 95% of the sailing world.
Now, if I needed to literally "park" my boat beside a mooring twice a day...I'd love the concept. But if you're going to have water under the boat, they'll only hurt you.
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Not sure why you would include Newfoundland in this statement. I'm assuming you meant Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. The largest tides in the world of course occur in the Bay of Fundy. Here in Newfoundland the tides rarely exceed a metre. For much of the coastline you would have plenty water for even the largest vessels.
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06-06-2019, 12:14
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
Thank you, Norton. We're taught very little about Canadian geography here in the States. Except that it is all white, woods, and full of polar bears.(G)
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06-06-2019, 12:33
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Location: Seville London Eastbourne
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
I grew up with twin (bilge) keelers. It seemed eminently sensible to have one as in the area I lived, it was a one-mile tidal range.
Most of the yachts in the club were bilge keelers.
I still have a twin keeler.
And also a catamaran.
Nearly the same thing...
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06-06-2019, 12:43
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Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Newfoundland
Boat: Beneteau
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor
Thank you, Norton. We're taught very little about Canadian geography here in the States. Except that it is all white, woods, and full of polar bears.(G)
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Think deep coves with deep water. Lots of Islands, many of which were once inhabited and have walking trails. Friendly folk and extremely inexpensive compared to most cruising grounds. Many harbour authority will seemingly avoid you so as to not take your money and when they do it'll cost between 7 and 10 bucks for the night. The most I've ever paid is 30 for electricity, water, wifi, and access to laundry and showers at a small marina. You'll not have to worry about procuring supplies because most locals will offer a ride and I have given my second car to those hanging around for a few days and have gotten the same treatment myself. The Broadway hit Come From Away is not a myth but still pretty regular here.
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09-06-2019, 13:55
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#60
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Solent, England
Boat: Moody 31
Posts: 18,398
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Re: Is the era of twin keelers past?
Quote:
Originally Posted by mowerandy
If I had a better memory I'd happily provide references but alas..
I do however remember reading someone of note, possibly Chay Blythe, say that they are terrible in big breaking ocean seas and that he would not sail one again - something about jumping alarmingly from one keel to the other running off waves, making steering and general control very difficult in heavy weather.
I have never sailed one myself, and can certainly appreciate the advantages in less perilous conditions. Maybe that example just had very poor geometry/keel alignment, but I would certainly want to see what she does planing down a mountain before considering a purchase for myself.
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For someone who had no experience to sail a 30ft Kingfisher bilge keeled yacht to Capetown single handed he did astonishingly well. The storm he broached in was F11. He didn't know he had broached until he read about it later in a book.
Sailing solo from East to West round the world | Chay Blyth
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