Is it Possible to Go Blue Water in a 13 Foot Guppy?

[pete2169]

Hi Ann,

I can store 30 gallons of water aboard the guppy. I also have a hand operated water desalinator that can make quart of fresh water from sea water in about 45 minutes.
I also have a solar still that can make up to a half gallon of freshwater a day in direct sunlight. I have navigation lights on the bow and stern and I plan to mount a light on top of the mast too.

Pete

[Blue Crab]

Someone may have mentioned a teen gal sailed a Guppy round the world.

I am not an engineer but with all the movement, I doubt the solar still will be reliable.


I'd think Vancover would be enough of a challenge.

[OutOfControl]

Originally Posted by Blue Crab

Someone may have mentioned a teen gal sailed a Guppy round the world.

Blue Crab, close but no cigar.
It was Laura Dekker and the boat was a 38' Jeanneau Gin Fizz named "Guppy".

[MarkJ]

Go for it!!!



I only say this because saying: "A fool and his life are soon parted" would be considered against the forum rule of bring nice.


But i can not be nice to someone without pointing out the probability, not possibility, but the probability that you will die.


Dead.


Mark

[Blue Crab]

Originally Posted by OutOfControl

Blue Crab, close but no cigar.
It was Laura Dekker and the boat was a 38' Jeanneau Gin Fizz named "Guppy".

Ah Cap, I know I know. I was afunnin. Crabs move sidewise, amirite?

[Stu Jackson]

For pete:

a friend of mine wrote this a few years ago, he is an experienced skipper who sails out of Portland, up and down the coast often:

Columbia River Bar Every time I cross the bar I learn something important.

On Wednesday my crewmate and I arrived outside the bar about two hours earlier than planned, having sailed on a brisk broad reach from Westport, WA. My goal had been to arrive about 2000 hrs, which was about 1 hour prior to the next slack before flood...in other words, we wanted to get there towards the end of the ebb, but because of our fast sail we arrived a couple hours early, about 1830, which was maximum ebb.

A goodly NW wind, in the high teens, with 6 foot NW swells and 3 foot wind waves...relatively light conditions, actually. I've crossed in worse, in July a year ago on our outbound trip when the Coasties closed the bar for 26 and under, then closed it for 30 and under, and we waited for them to close it for us, but they never did. The bar can get ugly, especially on the ebb when the incoming waves and wind clash with the outgoing Columbia River. (It can be so ugly that sometimes the bar pilots won't take a container ship across it...but that wasn't the case here.) They call this area "the graveyard of the Pacific" for a good reason.

We had been monitoring Ch 16 to catch bar reports, and the Coasties kept giving the same two pieces of information...a 1530 bar report that said 1-3 foot waves; and that there were "no restrictions on the bar." Outside the bar I called them for most recent conditions...they gave me the same 1530 report, even though I suspected that conditions were radically different because we were then experiencing much greater seas than that outside the bar, and because the ebb was now fully underway. I asked if the information they gave me was from a USCG vessel in the bar, and they said they didn't have "an asset" out there at this time. But they did confirm that there were no restrictions on the bar.

I decided to try the bar and see what the conditions were, and if safe, to continue on in, even though our SOG was going to be just 2 to 3 knots. It was still daylight, even though we were in restricted visibility. Making some progress forward was better than a holding pattern, I thought.

Conditions were 1/4 mile vis in fog, and the seas and wind as stated above. Watching ships and commies on radar ('commies' is the local terminology for commercial fishermen), I approached toward due east, intending to intercept just slightly inbound of the Green "1". Looking ahead, I suddenly saw a line of solid white water across my visible horizon from left to right, less than 500 yards ahead. As we were on a run, we were looking at the windward face of the waves, and I could only imagine what the steep side of the waves would have been. Breaking??? I didn't know and I sure as hell didn't want to find out. So within about 1 second of that view I decided I was absolutely NOT going in there, and I initiated a tack to port, back to a westerly heading. We powered down the main (we were already under reefed main alone), and slowed to about 4 kts, heading west on a close reach, to wait for two hours or so until the ebb settled down.

So here's the most important lesson I learned: that the CG seems not to give bar reports unless they have a vessel out there to report. Makes sense when you think about it, doesn't it? Their ground station only gives you what they last have, properly referring to the time of the last report, but they don't make it clear that the information cannot - nay, should not - be relied upon at 'time now' because wind/wave/swell conditions outside may have changed, and/or because the tidal current cycle has changed. A skipper MUST make his/her own judgments based on very little data absent a CG vessel out there in the bar. (I dread what we would have learned had we run into that white water in the dark.)

We killed time for a couple hours and then headed back to join the channel outside of the Green "1" at about 2100. A slow angle crossing over to the red side, then 2.8 to 3 knots SOG into the current, even at that late point in the ebb cycle, for a not-too-bad ride inbound.

Second lesson, previously learned but dramatically reminded of this time: is not to rush the bar. If there is any wind or waves/swells of size out there, or if it is restricted visibility or if it is getting dark where breaking wave risks can't clearly be identified well in advance, wait it out. Plan for a 'first look' only at slack-before-flood, when the bar is safest, and the flood is coming to 'back up' the slack. (Of course, sometimes the bar is unsafe regardless of tide cycle. It's up to the skipper to find that out himself/herself.)

Inbound, my crewmate said to me in wonder as we passed Buoy 4, in the dark, in fog, "You eat this stuff up, don't you?" With a grin from ear to ear, I replied, "I love it! Sixty-seven years old and still addicted to adrenalin."

I monitor channel 13 in that area because it is the ships that I care about most. We were concerned about a dredge operating near Green "9", which we identified on radar and communicated with, and an outbound tug with two barges in trail, under tow. At about the Red "4", I saw a small boat come out of the fog to our left side about 150 feet away. Then he got really close, and I throttled back and turned about 70 degrees starboard to reduce collision risk. I transmitted a "power vessel to portside of the sailboat at Buoy 4, Columbia River Bar..." message, but no answer. I changed to ch 16, and transmitted same, and the powerboat answered, saying that he was lost with a failed GPS, and if we had good nav gear he wanted to follow us the remaining 8 or 9 miles in to Astoria. What's the name of your boat? "No name." What's your name? "Scott." What kind of boat are you? "A 22 ft North River aluminum fishing boat." I briefed him on our plan, and got him to switch to 13 so he could monitor our conversation. He trailed us until about 4 miles from Astoria when the vis improved and we suggested he could continue on his way...no doubt to tell the story at the 'other bar' later, not about how dumb he was to be out there with only one nav aid, or about how lucky he was to find us, but how awful it was to have to trail a 7 knot sailboat for so long, and that never again does he ever want to go that slow. But let me tell you, considering he was lost on the Columbia River bar, in the fog at night, he was one L-U-C-K-Y son-of-a-gun to have found us.

We got into Astoria's West Basin about midnight, too late to head for that 'other bar'.

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

Go for it!!!

I only say this because saying: "A fool and his life are soon parted" would be considered against the forum rule of bring nice.

But i can not be nice to someone without pointing out the probability, not possibility, but the probability that you will die.

Dead.

Mark

Heck I say go for it also! That fishing guy made it with no supplies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If CF people keep talking people out of stuff what will be have to discuss?

[Brown Sugar]

Serge Testa went around the world in a 13 foot custom sailboat twenty years or so ago. While sailing he had to lay down the whole time because there was no room to sit or stand below deck.

Howard Blackburn sailed across the Atlantic in the late 1800s in a modified Gloucester Fishing Sloop that if I remember correctly was 24 feet. He later tried it in a custom made boat of under 20 feet but met bad weather on a couple attempts and didn't finish. The amazing thing about his attempts among them he circumnavigated the eastern US is he did all this after loosing all his fingers while commercial fishing earlier in life. (don't remember the name of the book but it's a good read about a man much tougher than me)

Why?
And I ask you the same, Why?

If you do it,,and make it,,I'd like to hear about it!

[pete2169]

Hey, I just took some new photos of the guppy. I put them in my gallery !!!

check them out !!! have a great day !!!

[boatman61]

Well.. there's a guy did NYC to Ireland in the '50's with an open boat that he built a wood deck and cabin for.. rig her right and get her trailered down the coast and set of at the right time of year.. its do-able if you've the discipline and stamina.. follow the milk route and you'll only need your headsail most of the way..

[Cormorant]

Originally Posted by Brown Sugar

Howard Blackburn sailed across the Atlantic in the late 1800s in a modified Gloucester Fishing Sloop that if I remember correctly was 24 feet. He later tried it in a custom made boat of under 20 feet but met bad weather on a couple attempts and didn't finish. The amazing thing about his attempts among them he circumnavigated the eastern US is he did all this after loosing all his fingers while commercial fishing earlier in life. (don't remember the name of the book but it's a good read about a man much tougher than me)

>> Here it is -- really a great read.
Lone Voyager : The Extraordinary Adventures of Howard Blackburn Hero Fisherman of Gloucester by Joseph E. Garland

[sabray]

You must read tinkerbelle by Robert Manry. Good luck. Some of the absolute nasty pounding I have had is within site of land. Haven't done that bar. Did the cape cod canal on a gorgeous day. On the bay side the waves were 12 feet with no time between. Really trashed a great afternoon. It was like being waterboarded with Saran wrap an inch from your face. While standing up on a roller coaster. Back then we had to spot the channel bouy's. Meanwhile steering being near waterboarded navigating I am wondering if the motor might just keep going downward as the boat just fell off the wave tops and slammed into the trough.
Anyway tinkerbelle was a great read


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[Andrew Troup]

Then there's Rüdiger Nehberg’s three crossings of the Atlantic:

First on a pedalo

(shades of "Triplets of Belleville" !). I hope, unlike that movie, the person he hired if from was not left gazing hopefully across the ocean for the entire duration ...

Then on a bamboo raft.

And then, as if to prove the first two had not been a fluke, a third crossing on a log.

Mind you, it was more than 13' long, that one.

IIRC its parent was a massive fir tree.

ON EDIT: 20m long, 4000 km crossing to Brazil in 43 days !

[s/v Beth]

Thanks Andrew, I always told people you could cross oceans on a log, now I have proof!

[pete2169]

Here are some ideas I had for blue water food storage. I have stored many dehydrated and freeze dried foods in plastic pop bottles. The bottles are airtight and weigh a lot less than the liquid that was in it originally. I can fit 80 servings of scrambled eggs in one 2 liter bottle or 40 servings of milk. Or 30 servings of freeze dried meat. The cool thing is I can fit about a years supply of food under the cabin floor of the guppy. Whats also cool is its so light it has buoyant force and displaces a lot of water. Check out the pics.