Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 03-09-2016, 03:50   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 2
Is Bigger better?

Just wondering your thoughts.

For live aboard cruising is bigger better?

I have the option to buy either a 40 or a 44 boat, both have pro's and con's.
What I would like to get your opinion of is, size wise, is their any reason to go one over the other?

Cheers
__________________

__________________
DaveHick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 06:45   #2
Registered User
 
DDabs's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: St. Petersburg
Boat: Caliber 40LRC
Posts: 1,469
Images: 15
Re: Is Bigger better?

Simply comparing a 40 ft. to a 44 ft., you're not going to see TOO much difference in interior amenities. It really comes down to which specific models you are looking at. There are certain 40 ft. sailboats I would rather be on than certain 44 ft. sailboats. It all depends.
__________________

__________________
DDabs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 07:18   #3
I promise to put my pants on
 
sailorboy1's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: On the boat somewhere
Boat: Hunter 410
Posts: 11,308
Re: Is Bigger better?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DDabs View Post
Simply comparing a 40 ft. to a 44 ft., you're not going to see TOO much difference in interior amenities.
Well that's not correct at all. I moved from a 39' boat to 41' (on deck) and the interior volume and livability improvement was HUGE!
__________________
stop blowing smoke up my rear, blow it at the sails instead
sailorboy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 07:24   #4
Registered User
 
Sea Dreaming's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Whoo! Finally made it back to Mexico!
Boat: Cheoy Lee Offshore 38
Posts: 1,117
Re: Is Bigger better?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailorboy1 View Post
Well that's not correct at all. I moved from a 39' boat to 41' (on deck) and the interior volume and livability improvement was HUGE!
Babe, I swear, it's just cold!
__________________
If toast always lands butter side down, and cats always land on their feet, what would happen if you strapped toast to a cat's back and dropped it? - Steven Wright
Sea Dreaming is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 07:26   #5
Registered User
 
DDabs's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: St. Petersburg
Boat: Caliber 40LRC
Posts: 1,469
Images: 15
Re: Is Bigger better?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailorboy1 View Post
Well that's not correct at all. I moved from a 39' boat to 41' (on deck) and the interior volume and livability improvement was HUGE!
well of course when you move on deck your interior space gets bigger
__________________
DDabs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 08:11   #6
I promise to put my pants on
 
sailorboy1's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: On the boat somewhere
Boat: Hunter 410
Posts: 11,308
Re: Is Bigger better?

reading comprehension issues I see, but I'll go with it

"Aren't the stars bright tonight?"
__________________
stop blowing smoke up my rear, blow it at the sails instead
sailorboy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 08:24   #7
Senior Cruiser
 
Kenomac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Mediterranean
Boat: Oyster 53 Cutter
Posts: 6,312
Re: Is Bigger better?

BIGGER is better for liveaboard. Anyone who claims otherwise is dillusional. Our Oyster 53 is a small boat. If we had the money, we'd be on an Oyster 66 or a Sunreef 62.

Today we're anchored next to the meg yacht Eclipse at 556ft, our boat is smaller than Abramovich's tender.
__________________
Kenomac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 08:32   #8
Registered User
 
UNCIVILIZED's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Up the mast, looking for clean wind.
Boat: Anything entertaining.
Posts: 3,518
Re: Is Bigger better?

Once you hit that size range, if all or most of the boxes are ticked in terms of what you want, feature wise. Then look at a boat's ease of handling/ergonomics, as well as ease of maintenance. And especially what condition her systems are in. Including big ticket items like; engine, standing rigging/rigging, sails, electrical/electronics, etc.
With all of these applying to doing every job onboard. From ease of reefing or anchoring, to changing an oil filter on the engine.

Make up a spread sheet for everything you'd like to have onboard in order for a boat to be cruise ready by your standards. And then plug any candidate boats into it in order to see their true cost/value. Especially including what it will cost to bring them up to an equal standard of readyness.
When you do, include the $ value of time in order to do so, along with the cost of any professional help that you'd need in order to do some of the more complex work/labor. Whether that's for adding/inspecting/fixing say, wiring, or a new suit of sails/inspecting/tuning up the ones which she has.

Also, look at how the boat's set up in terms of storage space. Both for any & all toys you'll want to have onboard, & also for boat spares & equipment, as well as for consumables. Both food & drink, plus anything else that one routinely uses in day to day life, & or when sailing.
__________________

The Uncommon Thing, The Hard Thing, The Important Thing (in Life): Making Promises to Yourself, And Keeping Them.
UNCIVILIZED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 08:41   #9
Registered User
 
UNCIVILIZED's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Up the mast, looking for clean wind.
Boat: Anything entertaining.
Posts: 3,518
Re: Is Bigger better?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenomac View Post
BIGGER is better for liveaboard. Anyone who claims otherwise is dillusional. Our Oyster 53 is a small boat. If we had the money, we'd be on an Oyster 66 or a Sunreef 62.

Today we're anchored next to the meg yacht Eclipse at 556ft, our boat is smaller than Abramovich's tender.
Not necessarily. Such as when you have to re-anchor at 0300 in a driving rain, & the person on the bow can't well communicate with the helm due to the distance between them. Or has to fight with ground tackle that's 1.5x heavier. Ditto on sail handling chores, tasks at sea, cleaning the boat... or, Especially when it's time to pay the bills, & or do a re-fit. As at those times, smaller looks VERY appealing.

And there are definitely times when one's looking for space in a marina, that being 33' long, & drawing 4.5' makes it a LOT easier to find a berth. Often times making it possible to find one at all, when in a bigger boat it wouldn't be possible.

Or that the cost of upkeep & moorage differences between the two sizes can allow the smaller boat's owners to rent a flat somewhere inland for a month or three, & not need to worry about the boat while enjoying Tuscanny in the high season. Or locale X for the Winter, etc.
Basically you get a few more options, on a smaller budget no less. Not everyone has Donald Trump's bank account, nor wants to live as if they do

Those kinds of constants have never changed, & never will.
__________________

The Uncommon Thing, The Hard Thing, The Important Thing (in Life): Making Promises to Yourself, And Keeping Them.
UNCIVILIZED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 08:46   #10
Registered User
 
sparrowhawk1's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Miami Beach Fl
Boat: Colombia Cc 11.8
Posts: 1,066
Re: Is Bigger better?

Bigger is certainly nicer but there are several drawbacks. The main one being cost, not just to buy but to maintain,store, replace / upgrade equipment, cost of Marinas( if that's how you roll), ground tackle will be much larger and I guess you could include fuel cost if your motor a lot. although that shouldn't be that much different comparing a 40-footer to 44. I've noticed a lot of people without much experience buy big boats and then they're terrified operate them and it's also too much work to sail them.
__________________
sparrowhawk1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 09:48   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Seattle, WA
Boat: Cooper 416
Posts: 6
Re: Is Bigger better?

I agree with Uncivilized and Sparrowhawk1. Bigger isn't necessarily better. It depends on many factors. If she is a "marina queen" spending most of your time at dock (or at anchor) and you often sail with capable crew then bigger might be better. If you sail a lot, or cruise often and are short handed, single handing or 2 to 3 crew on long crossings then bigger is definitely not better. I do a lot of single handing here in the PNW on a 42 ft Cooper 416. But the cockpit is small and all running gear runs aft to the cockpit so she is easy to manage off the hook.

As indicated above, expenses increase exponentially as LOA increases. Everything from maintenance to moorage to clearance fees (although 50' seems to be the breaking point here).

Another factor to consider is beam. My boat has a 14' beam which increases livability below decks tremendously. Many people are amazed at how much bigger she seems compared to other furniture 40's.

In the end, choose a boat that fits your lifestyle and pocketbook.

Fair winds
__________________
Discovery 15797 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 10:17   #12
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: UK/Portugal
Posts: 19,178
Images: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to boatman61
pirate Re: Is Bigger better?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenomac View Post
BIGGER is better for liveaboard. Anyone who claims otherwise is dillusional. Our Oyster 53 is a small boat. If we had the money, we'd be on an Oyster 66 or a Sunreef 62.

Today we're anchored next to the meg yacht Eclipse at 556ft, our boat is smaller than Abramovich's tender.
__________________

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Click on de Pic 4 de Site^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 12:06   #13
Senior Cruiser
 
FSMike's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Bahamas/Florida
Boat: Solaris Sunstar 36' catamaran
Posts: 2,639
Images: 5
Re: Is Bigger better?

A 40' catamaran usually has lots more living space than a 44' monohull.
__________________
Sail Fast Live Slow
FSMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 12:15   #14
cruiser

Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,198
Re: Is Bigger better?

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
"I hate the French and I don't need a bloody reason" (sic)
__________________
SaltyMonkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2016, 12:57   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: sailing south
Boat: Ericson 35-2
Posts: 308
Re: Is Bigger better?

Quote:
Originally Posted by FSMike View Post
A 40' catamaran usually has lots more living space than a 44' monohull.
Likewise, a 40' monohull from 70s is a MUCH smaller boat than a 40' monohull from 2000s, with a plumb bow and a two bedroom apartment under the cockpit.
__________________

__________________
RedHerring is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Anchors - Bigger is Better ? JonJo Anchoring & Mooring 1792 17-08-2015 11:22
(In) Sanity Check - Do I Need a Bigger / Better Boat to Cruise the Caribbean ? Lttl Monohull Sailboats 29 18-11-2010 16:52


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 23:17.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.