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Old 10-10-2016, 12:36   #46
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Re: Is a 44 Bavaria suitable for sailing in rough seas?



BAVARIA 44 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com
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Vorstag = Forestay

So it seems he basically converted the BAV to be cutter rigged.

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Thanks for the translation

If I didn't misunderstand, he uses the Forestay only in a gale.
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Thanks for the translation

If I didn't misunderstand, he uses the Forestay only in a gale.
Probably a removable one for the storm sail. It is the easiest way with a mass market boat. To have solid attachments to have a true cutter rig is complicated if the boat was not been prepared for that.
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Get a good surveyor of your own and see what he comes back with.. I believe there's a couple of good ones out there.. assuming she's still in the Turkey/Greece area
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No doubt can be a good candidate, but and I don't want to be the black pea in this thread , check everything really well like Boatie say, structural and all.
This one fail like that in the picture in regular tradewinds , no storm involved or collision.
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No doubt can be a good candidate, but and I don't want to be the black pea in this thread , check everything really well like Boatie say, structural and all.
This one fail like that in the picture in regular tradewinds , no storm involved or collision.
Looks like a rigging failure where it was attached to the hull. How is done?
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No doubt can be a good candidate, but and I don't want to be the black pea in this thread , check everything really well like Boatie say, structural and all.
This one fail like that in the picture in regular tradewinds , no storm involved or collision.
That looks bad. I was wondering what that metal rod was doing there in the undamaged kitchen picture.

It seems like something that should never happen on any boat unless you go full sail into a gale?


I suppose that Greek Atlantic 48 I looked at before couldn't do any worse
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The whole bulkhead tabbing failed and pulled off the hull. Wonder if they lost the rig as a result.
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No doubt can be a good candidate, but and I don't want to be the black pea in this thread , check everything really well like Boatie say, structural and all. This one fail like that in the picture in regular trade winds , no storm involved or collision.
Could it be the mast top shroud puling too hard on the chain plate, itself secured to a "counter-mould" badly glued to the hull ??? Was it during the Heineken regatta in SXM (Sint Maarten) ???
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No doubt can be a good candidate, but and I don't want to be the black pea in this thread , check everything really well like Boatie say, structural and all.
This one fail like that in the picture in regular tradewinds , no storm involved or collision.
Hi Neil, can you give more information, or a link to what took place. Name of boat, where, when etc.
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Re: Is a 44 Bavaria suitable for sailing in rough seas?

AquaGeo, my point is: I would not care to be at sea in a boat that was a couple of barrels of resin on Monday morning, and a completed boat being loaded onto a flatcar on Saturday afternoon, built to a production schedule and signed off by a QC guy who is also on a schedule.I don't know if Bavaria employees come to work hungover, (perhaps you know more about that) but I prefer to sail a boat that was built carefully by craftsmen. But hey, Bavarians are cheaper.
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AquaGeo, my point is: I would not care to be at sea in a boat that was a couple of barrels of resin on Monday morning, and a completed boat being loaded onto a flatcar on Saturday afternoon, built to a production schedule and signed off by a QC guy who is also on a schedule.I don't know if Bavaria employees come to work hungover, (perhaps you know more about that) but I prefer to sail a boat that was built carefully by craftsmen. But hey, Bavarians are cheaper.
So you know that Barvarias and the like are completed start to finish in 5 days and the resins used havent cured by the time they hit the water? I dont know what the production time is, you have researched this, or been to the factory?

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Re: Is a 44 Bavaria suitable for sailing in rough seas?

ok, so I haven't been on in awhile, because every time i give my professional opinion, and yes I'm a shipwright and that includes every aspect of marine carpentry, fiberglass , paint, structural bulkheads, teak deck, you name it. I just worked on one of these Bavarias this season. They use a swivel rudder ball assembly for the spade rudder. They lock up ans seize up between the aluminum and the plastic swivel ball. While replacing one of these and re assembly the quadrants steering linkage, the sun came out, and I could almost see through the fiberglass around the base of the rudder shaft. I couldn't believe it, especially on the load side of a spade rudder where there are heavy hydro forces on the leading edge. I immediately told the owner and proceeded to add multiple layers of alternating two ounce mat and bi weave. I can't imagine this was a one time lay up screw up. They call them the chevys of sailboats, according to the owner not me, because they are fairly priced, and yes I thought the interior was well put together for the price point, but they definitely offset the cost of the interior in the structural aspect of the hull. maybe some owners got lucky, but if the glass was that thin at a known load bearing point, I can only imagine how thin the glass is in other places. I imagine if I has sanded the bottom paint off the sun would light up the whole bottom. So there is some fact to back up a point of view. I'm sure I'll get attacked as usual by some know it all, or questioned about my professionalism, that's why I don't post much anymore, but trust me, I am very professional and take pride in my work.
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AquaGeo, I read their gleeful boat advertisements and new boat "reviews" back when the Bavaria brand was wa first launched. The ones that gushed about how fast a Bavaria was built and how that speed saved the customer money. Then, after the keels started falling off of Bavarias and the company responded by putting bigger washers on the keel bolts, they backed off on expounding on how fast the boats were built and concentrated on how precise the robots put them together. Read the older sailing magazines, you'll see. If you feel good about sailing a Bavaria, then go for it. I just prefer more traditionally built boats.
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