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Old 26-04-2015, 08:56   #76
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I wonder why they are not allowing Tri's?
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If it flips, it ain't gonna right itself whereas the old full keel boats will roll right back up.

Also, it could break much more easily than a heavy, solidly built full keel boat.
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Old 26-04-2015, 09:05   #77
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Instead, retreated bravely (in the typical french way), turned tail only to be seen next some six months after in Tahiti, or some remote atoll nearby.


Implying cowardice of a solo sailor that attempts to go RTW by way of the southern ocean is ludicrous to say the least. That voyage was not taken on a whim.

None of the entrants where cowards in my estimation.



While I can't say I enjoyed his first person account as much as Roth's, I did find it educational.


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I beg to differ, RKJ won courtesy of....nobody.

Where others broke mast (Loïc Fougeron) or hull (Tetley), Moitessier broke mentally, did not have the stamina to make it to port.

Instead, retreated bravely (in the typical french way), turned tail only to be seen next some six months after in Tahiti, or some remote atoll nearby.
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Moitessier was quickly forgotten by the main stream medias.
Yes but not by sailors. Its the first time I heard that he had broke mentally. He was winning Robin 50nm a day when he just changed of ideas. The live he took after that seems not the one of a guy that break down but of someone that decided that it was not just what he wanted, I mean the chance of winning a prize and returning to Europe.

It seems that he said to himself: What the well I am doing here? That's not what I want to do. I want to live and sail where the sun is hot, the women easy, the life good and the scenery gorgeous.

It seems to me that it takes a mentally very strong man to take a decision like that and not bother what others would think about him.

Moitessier also had not been heard from since New Zealand, but he was still making good progress and coping easily with the conditions of the "furious fifties". He was carrying letters from old Cape Horn sailors describing conditions in the Southern Ocean, and he frequently consulted these to get a feel for chances of encountering ice. He reached the Horn on 6 February, but when he started to contemplate the voyage back to Plymouth he realised that he was becoming increasingly disenchanted with the race concept.

Cape Horn from the South: As he sailed past the Falkland Islands he was sighted, and this first news of him since Tasmania caused considerable excitement. It was predicted that he would arrive home on 24 April as the winner (in fact, Knox-Johnston finished on 22 April). A huge reception was planned in Britain, from where he would be escorted to France by a fleet of French warships for an even more grand reception. There was even said to be a Légion d'honneur waiting for him there.

Moitessier had a very good idea of this, but throughout his voyage he had been developing an increasing disgust with the excesses of the modern world; the planned celebrations seemed to him to be yet another example of brash materialism. After much debate with himself, and many thoughts of those waiting for him in England, he decided to continue sailing — past the Cape of Good Hope, and across the Indian Ocean for a second time, into the Pacific. Unaware of this, the newspapers continued to publish "assumed" positions progressing steadily up the Atlantic, until, on 18 March, Moitessier fired a slingshot message in a can onto a ship near the shore of Cape Town, announcing his new plans to a stunned world:

"My intention is to continue the voyage, still nonstop, toward the Pacific Islands, where there is plenty of sun and more peace than in Europe. Please do not think I am trying to break a record. 'Record' is a very stupid word at sea. I am continuing nonstop because I am happy at sea, and perhaps because I want to save my soul."

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If it flips, it ain't gonna right itself whereas the old full keel boats will roll right back up.

Also, it could break much more easily than a heavy, solidly built full keel boat.

There were 2 in the original race if memory serves.


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A race to find out who will be the least slowest....
Yep, just like most races.

People are never happy. When the Americas Cup switched to Catamarans folks said it wasn't sailing, it was drag racing with no tactics and it was too fast.

This "race" will be very tough for the sailors in this day and age of high technology. They will be attempting to go back into the past.

Can these guys even have a computer on board?
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If it flips, it ain't gonna right itself whereas the old full keel boats will roll right back up.

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You have a funny idea about boat final stability, modern and old designs.
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There were 2 in the original race if memory serves
But I don't believe they finished..............
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You have a funny idea about boat final stability, modern and old designs.
I guess it all boils down to Europe versus US. Just compare the first US mass produced GRP boat, the Pearson Triton, with the first European mass produced GRP boat, the Van De Stadt Pionier. It's a world of difference.

I've got quite an interest in the classic Van De Stadt designs, and find the whole idea that fin keels and spade rudders are somehow not classic is rather odd...
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You have a funny idea about boat final stability, modern and old designs.
The boat seems to have done okay on a RTW trip:

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This continuing hope that the ability to right a boat after turning turtle is a saving grace is something of a false hope in my book. It is certainly not the single reason to sail a mono.

I do not personally know any sailors that have flipped a cruising multi or any that have done a 360 in a mono and not disabled the boat.

On a personal note, I prefer a tri over a cat. This note from the owner of a "original charter barge." At one time the best selling and most ridiculed sailboat over 40'.


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It seems to me that it takes a mentally very strong man to take a decision like that ...

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I happen to think the opposite.

One of many "strange" decisions Moitessier made...giving the money from one of his book to the pope...and so forth.

RKJ victory is a well deserved one.

Btw, Moitessier (unlike RKJ) did not enter any other race.
He just was not a racer.
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Cool! Old school. I'm in! (for slowest place) but I would have to saw off a couple feet to be within the length guidelines!

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What's the longest anyone has soloed non-stop?
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This continuing hope that the ability to right a boat after turning turtle is a saving grace is something of a false hope in my book. It is certainly not the single reason to sail a mono.
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What's the longest anyone has soloed non-stop?

The race under discussion is the longest to my knowledge.


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