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Old 22-08-2012, 07:28   #1
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In My Head , It's Already Mine ...

But I haven't seen it yet. The boat is out of state and I'm scheduled to see it this weekend. I've got a surveyor on hold pending my once over. I know he'll fill me in on my concern, but I would like opinions from you fine folks. Take a look at this picture and tell me if you'd be concerned. Also, what is the fix?

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Old 22-08-2012, 07:55   #2
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Re: In my head, it's already mine...

Hi Sailorsurf,
A warm welcome to Cruisersforum.
If I may give a couple of points to bear in mind from my own experience.
Buy with the wallet, not with the heart.
What you buy today you will sell tomorrow.
A boat is your home and your life may depend on it.
There are lots of boats out there and many unscrupulous people so think twice and decide once.
Make a list of all the things you and your partner would like on a boat, choose the boat that you feel would fit your requirements.
There are some very helpful and knowledgeable people on this site who will help you with any information on Make, Model etc.
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Old 22-08-2012, 08:05   #3
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Re: In my head, it's already mine...

Thanks for the warm welcome. I have done my homework, and I'm buying (or might buy) with my head and heart. I am getting a proper survey and will base my final decision on that.

But back to my question. In your opinion, is this crack in the hull/keel joint a big issue, and what would be the proper course of action in repair?
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Old 22-08-2012, 08:42   #4
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Re: In my head, it's already mine...

Your surveyor will give you the best answer, but to me that just looks like a crack in the fairing compound around a bolt on keel.

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Old 22-08-2012, 08:45   #5
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Re: In my head, it's already mine...

To be truthful I would give it a body swerve and not even bother with a survey unless it's dirt cheap and the repair is done under your surveyors supervision, frankly,even then it's not worth the hassle, there are some well used, but lovingly cared for boats out there for sale as people move on in life. Ask around on this site if anyone can recommend a boat to you, check out the rubbish from the genuine and even then unless your'e very experienced you absolutely must have a survey. Buy wisely, buy once. You will hear the term Caveat Emptor quoted, it's latin for Buyer Beware ! It's not all doom and gloom and you will find your mistress if you search carefully.
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Old 22-08-2012, 08:54   #6
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Re: In my head, it's already mine...

Don't have a clue from the picture as to the EXTENT of the damage.. Problem is, yuo'll most likely have to remove bottom paint, fairing compound, etc JUST to take a look. I'd RUN...

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Old 22-08-2012, 09:10   #7
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Re: In my head, it's already mine...

Hard to tell from the picture so a little additional information would tell a LOT!


1. Is the boat fiberglass or ferro?

2. Is that an external, bolted on keel and the crack is in a fairing compound. Or is the hull all glass with the ballast enclosed in the skin of the hull?
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Old 22-08-2012, 09:39   #8
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The boat is fiberglass with an encapsulated ballast. There is also an integral holding tank in the aft part of keel. Can you guess the boat?
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Re: In my head, it's already mine...

A charter boat that I checked out up here hit a rock at 5-6 knots. the hull cracked forward and aft of the keel and looked alot like that. The engine bed was delaminated from the hull as well as some cabinetry. When the keel hit, the hull had buckled up temporarily aft of the keel.... which raised up the engine and did that damage. So........ tread very carefully with this purchase! What I'm saying is dont just look at teh keel damage..... there may be more extensive damage elsewhere from the grounding.... also: dont trust your surveyor to be as inquisitive as you are.... ask questions, prod him and poke him: " why? why? why?" usually about 5 "why's" will get to the root of the problem!
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Old 22-08-2012, 09:47   #10
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Re: In my head, it's already mine...

It does look like it could be minor, but hard to tell from the photo. Maybe it has had a hard grounding and the keel attachment has cracked, meaning potentially quite expensive. The question I would be asking is ...

If the vendor tells you it's minor, why has it not been repaired for sale?

Edit: OK I now see the comment about encapsulated keel. Nevertheless, similar comments apply and I note Cheechako covered this a few minutes before me.
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Re: In my head, it's already mine...

Looks like an encapsulated keel and the damage might be substantial. I'd take a pass unless it's free and then I'd think twice.
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Hard to tell from the picture so a little additional information would tell a LOT!


1. Is the boat fiberglass or ferro?

2. Is that an external, bolted on keel and the crack is in a fairing compound. Or is the hull all glass with the ballast enclosed in the skin of the hull?
Most external bolted on keelson fiberglass boats are bolted on to a fiberglass keel stub, not directly to the hull.
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A charter boat that I checked out up here hit a rock at 5-6 knots. the hull cracked forward and aft of the keel and looked alot like that. The engine bed was delaminated from the hull as well as some cabinetry. When the keel hit, the hull had buckled up temporarily aft of the keel.... which raised up the engine and did that damage. So........ tread very carefully with this purchase! What I'm saying is dont just look at teh keel damage..... there may be more extensive damage elsewhere from the grounding....
Excellent advice, this looks like classic damage from a keel grounding. Potentially damage that has already been poorly repaired once. Remove the bottom paint and inspect the laminate around the fracture and look for suspected impact zones, ie bottom of the keel. Check bulkhead tabbing, engine alignment, etc.
This is fairly common and any competent laminator ought to be able to repair it to like new condition for not too much money, if the damage is limited to the exterior. It shouldn't be a deal breaker if you like the boat. Just find out for sure what it is and get a quote to fix it well before finishing negotiations.
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Re: In my head, it's already mine...

If I remember right the repair bill on the Cat 42 was about $12k... that was 10 years ago. Of course it was an "insurance reapir" too. If this is a heavy boat, it may not have suffered that much damage...
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Looks like an encapsulated keel and the damage might be substantial. I'd take a pass unless it's free and then I'd think twice.
That's what it looks like to me and I agree. That would mean that the crack is not in the joint where an external keel meets the hull but in the hull itself.

Unless I got a really, really, really good deal and knew 100% certain the extent of the damage (what else is going on inside the boat, adjacent bulkheads and such) I would run away, fast.
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