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Old 28-06-2013, 13:30   #46
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so if i had a schooner, would that mean both sails contribute to speed?
only if they are up
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Old 28-06-2013, 13:31   #47
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only if they are up
i had them all up... do i need to untie from the dock first? everyone was staring at my 30 degree heel......
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Old 28-06-2013, 13:35   #48
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i had them all up... do i need to untie from the dock first? everyone was staring at my 30 degree heel......
untieing from the dock first when going sailing is all ways a good idea,as is unpluging and removing the shore power cable
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Old 28-06-2013, 13:49   #49
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untieing from the dock first when going sailing is all ways a good idea,as is unpluging and removing the shore power cable
you know. i bought that CR#P book idiots guide to sailing. and it wasn't mentioned.
and i will never recommend that book to anyone. way too basic.
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Old 28-06-2013, 13:57   #50
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Lots of variations on rig around (seems only limited by imagination and wallet - the more of both and yer get to name something unique!), and whilst this one certainly on the less than common end of the spectrum (especially for size) not that far left field. No doubt some non conventional rigs work out better than others. Where Scoobert's boat is on that scale I know not..........but I have a nagging suspicion that the yard built what the customer wanted, whether they could see the full sense in it themselves or not. By all that I am not saying their is anything wrong with the rig, but perhaps it could be made "better" if Scooberts circumstances and needs are different to those of the original owner.

Nonetheless a fascinating and memorable boat!
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Old 28-06-2013, 14:00   #51
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i just emailed the rigging company, will update when i hear back from them.
all i want to do for this winter is sail to the Caribbean.
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I'll bet she absolutely flies on a reach!
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Old 28-06-2013, 14:10   #53
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the previous owner won races in it.
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also... i want to lengthen my main halyard. how do i do that?
its wire, then line...
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so if i had a schooner, would that mean both sails contribute to speed?
Yes the both contribute to speed and power and complexity.

If you need a new wire to rope halyard then you need to either contact a rigger to make you one or learn how to do a wire to rope splice. I've never done a wire to rope splice but I'm certain there will be others here that do them and can explain how easy or hard it might be.

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also... i want to lengthen my main halyard. how do i do that?
its wire, then line...
Replace it with all rope - obviously not a free solution.

IIRC the wire and rope splice was the solution from the 60's / 70's to limit halyard stretch. Still works of course, but modern materials makes that no longer necessary and can have all rope.

Never done a wire and rope splice, but I believe it is meant to be a PITA to do - both technically and because wire not so forgiving on hands!
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Replace it with all rope - obviously not a free solution.

IIRC the wire and rope splice was the solution from the 60's / 70's to limit halyard stretch. Still works of course, but modern materials makes that no longer necessary and can have all rope....

The only snag I've run into was a masthead sheave designed for the wire's smaller section than the replacement all Dacron halyard's larger section. All these newer high modulus materials are likely smaller sections and might fit OK. With the OP's unusual rig, I can foresee some expensive changes ahead.
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Yea, wire is pain. My boat used to have a rope to wire halyard. I replaced it with all rope without changing the sheave and it works fine. The sheave is quite wide though and just has a groove in the middle for the wire to fit in. I have seen other designs where the sheave itself and the width of the hole in the top of the mast are both very narrow, and i'm not sure that would work so well. Although modern lines are lower stretch and stronger than wire i worry that a skinny line would chafe through quickly............ You'll have to take a look at it at the mast head. Presumably since your wire is spliced to rope you have a rope winch on the cabin top rather than a wire winch (typically on the mast)? That makes things easier.
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Old 29-06-2013, 21:49   #59
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Re: I need to replace my.... thing?

going to derail my own thread here, but i dont want to start another new one.
looking at this photo...

i have 4 winches at the cockpit.
1 for the main travler,
2 for the jib and roller
1 for the main sheet.

on the front mast i have 3
1 for the topping lift
1 for the main halyard/jib halyard


on the boom i have 3
1 for the foot
2 for unknown.

can i rerig this so i can have all the lines going to one big winch on the deck by the windows? or do i need the two big ones for the jib?
i feel like i need 5 people to run the sails up and trim them....

here is the main mast
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Re: I need to replace my.... thing?

Haveing sailed a schooner for a lot of years, it sorta looks like a schooner to me !! Altho my sails were different being junk sails, but still a schooner! The only problem with one is the sail size! They do require some hefty winchs to lift them to full hight! But ahh do they cover some water when there pulling! Looks like ya got some work ahead of ya, but it also looks like you will have a fine vessel when your done ! I don't believe you will ever solo sail this one tho LOL
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