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Old 05-11-2018, 19:27   #61
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Re: I am now a sailboat owner... 26’ MacGregor

as things go... the boat is now on my back lot waiting for me to get to various tasks needed. I had to pump out several gallons of water today, had pumped it dry 10 days ago when we took it out. Sigh.


The chainplates are completely unsealed and a lot of other hardware seems to be installed improperly. Got some work to do to figure out the leaks. Unfortunately some are making the cabin wet which I'm glad I know about now instead of leaving it at the marina all winter.
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Today I took a huge recertification exam for my medical speciality and then met A guy from Craigslist and bought his boat. It is a 1994 MacGregor, in great shape. It was stored indoors 15 years of its life. I wanted an entry-level boat I could tow easily and use on the lakes around me.

The water ballast and swing keel make towing much easier. I’m hoping my Sienna AWD will be able to handle it, but nervous about pulling it out with a full ballast tank.
I had the same model, last production year for the 26C. Was my very first boat. I think it was a 1996 model that I bought in 1997. Towed it with an Oldsmobile minivan (FWD) with no problem with a cheap U-Haul hitch. Several trips from upstate NY to Florida and New England in addition to numerous local trips. Never ever had issues pulling it from the water. The trailer did not have brakes, which required very careful driving in towns.
That was the fastest boat I ever had. In good conditions it could AVERAGE 8 knots over a long distance. It could relatively comfortably take up to 6 foot waves, and I sailed it once in up to 9 foot waves from Key West to Dry Tortugas, which was not a smart thing to do.
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In good conditions it could AVERAGE 8 knots over a long distance.
Yeah, like over Niagara Falls...

Averaging well over hull speed for long distances seems pretty unlikely... for any boat.

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Re: I am now a sailboat owner... 26’ MacGregor

Seems my post, didn't post. Well at risk of a duplicate...

Hmmm... maybe while surfing down those nine foot waves.
Ours frequently sails 7 kt sustained here in the ICW.
SA/D 18.75 LWL 23.5 42% ballast
Theoretical hull speed of 6.5 kt
We usually load heavy and reef early but sometimes...
We digress

Hooosierdoc,

Ours leaked when we bought her . Fear not, with a little work all will be well.

A simple re bed may do but as you'll already have the hardware out I suggest Don Casey's advice. Remove some of the plywood core (I use a Dremel and a burr bit) and fill the void with epoxy ( I prefer West System) thickened with colloidal silica re drill.
I've had great success with this method on several boats. Done once.

If the core is wet you'll need to dry it out first. Remove the hardware and cover with a tarp leaving room for air.

The epoxy will prevent future damage to the core and eliminate potential core softness at the fastener. Allowing proper tightening and a good seal.

I used to rebed with rope caulk without issue but have switched to butyl tape
(marketed as rv putty tape at ace hardware). The butyl will supposedly outlast the rope caulk.

The chain plates can be temporarily sealed with a slathering of silicone. To re bed you need to drill out the rivets in the cap. A good time to remove, clean, inspect the plates and perhaps some shiny new nylocs. You need a stout rivet gun to reinstall.

On our 26 we cut three additional access hatches in the cabin. One in the nose for the chain plate and bow eye nuts. Two in the aft berth for bimini track and lifelines. These compartments contain foam blocks that can be removed and reinstalled.

Don Casey did a fixer upper series that is super duper helpful.
My copies of "Sailboat Hull and Deck Repair" and "Sailboat Refinishing"
are currently out on loan.

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Yeah, like over Niagara Falls...

Averaging well over hull speed for long distances seems pretty unlikely... for any boat.

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Thank you for sharing your opinion. Any personal experience with this particular boat?
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Thank you for sharing your opinion. Any personal experience with this particular boat?
Have never sailed on one. Have sailed in the same bits of water, never noticed them going very fast when sailing. Don't need "personal experience" to believe that AVERAGING well over hull speed for long periods is not likely... as I said, for ANY sailing boat, let alone an entry level trailer sailor in the hands of a newbie skipper (your first boat, right?).

Lots of lightweight boats can exceed hull speed briefly whilst surfing on waves. With a big kite, it might even last for 10-15 seconds at a time... but that ain't AVERAGING over hull speed.

So, I'll ask in turn, do you have any documentation that says such performance is achievable?

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I was doing 6.4 knots which is about hull speed with a small jib and little experience

Close reach too
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Re: I am now a sailboat owner... 26’ MacGregor

Please don't get offended. There heaps of knot meters that have never been calibrated, and read faster than actual speed. Just like anonometers. There are also, in some places, currents that will slow you or speed you up. We've had the not so fun experience of doing a credible 8 kn through the water, but only 1 kn over the ground. It's life.

Doesn't mean an attack on someone's new boat, but a guy who likes documentation and to evaluate data.

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Not sure if you were responding to me or the other two. My speed was according to GPS chart app.

And my knot meter does knot seem to work
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So, I'll ask in turn, do you have any documentation that says such performance is achievable?

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Only my memory.

This one, however, documented twice the hall speed averaged around the world:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...sailing-record
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Re: I am now a sailboat owner... 26’ MacGregor

27 knots average RTW, wow

I see a "displacement hull catamaran" has a higher hull speed than a monohull

What are the "non-displacement" types?

And do they throw the normal rules out the window?
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Re: I am now a sailboat owner... 26’ MacGregor

Aaah the snobbery.

Using a favorable current to increase an average trip speed sounds
like smart seamanship to me. We could easily get a similar average
here in the Gulf Stream.

Did you ask " Were you in the Gulf Stream?". No you did not.
He did mention the Dry Tortugas and Key West.

Did you ask "What were "the right conditions"? No you did not.

You did assume someone buying a "first boat" could have
no experience sailing at all ("Newbie).

You made a lot of assumptions in a sort of abrasive manner. Not very empirical nor scientific.

Perhaps as a moderator you should consider being ....a little more ...
well ...moderate.

We're not offended.
We've become used to people whose ideas are made up
largely by other peoples opinions.

Eclectic is our fourth sailing vessel ("entry level trailer sailor"). We sail when they motor. We sail when they hide out. We sail when its "too much trouble"
from symmetrical to storm jib and we sail all year long.

Anyway, good luck compiling your "data".

... and Hoosierdoc. 6.4 sounds like a lot of fun. You're obviously doing something right. Don't forget to put calibrating your knot meter on the haul out list. Kidding of course, who cares.
... and unclear whether you received my response the other day.

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Re: I am now a sailboat owner... 26’ MacGregor

Anyone realizing that getting 8 knots regularly out of a 6.4 knot waterline is not being snobbish. Just being real.
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"In good conditions it could average 8 kt" --
no claim of regularity was stated.

I own the same boat and would make no such claim except out in the Gulf Stream.

However, I would consider asking proper respectful questions.

Who , what, when, where, why,?

"Niagara Falls" and "entry level trailer sailor" "newbie" etcetera. Really?

No questions only opinions. No need to understand.
Straight to "Niagara Falls".


To me at least that equates to snobbery.

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Only my memory.

This one, however, documented twice the hall speed averaged around the world:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...sailing-record
Why yes, that was a fantastic bit of sailing, boat design and Herculean efforts by a professional crew.

Many applicable similarities to a Mac 26...


But as I understand things, giant race bred multihulls live in a different universe of limitations from our mundane craft with respect to hull speed.

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