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Old 03-01-2015, 19:53   #61
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

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Did your boat come with them or did you add them?

No ,it come with wide aluminiun backing plates, since the last refit i replace all the backing plates by SS , corrosión problems with the aluminium, and believe me, its a really cheap insurance....
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No ,it come with wide aluminiun backing plates, since the last refit i replace all the backing plates by SS , corrosión problems with the aluminium, and believe me, its a really cheap insurance....
Cool. I believe you.
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Ok cool, i dont know others but i want to trust my cleats and anchor gear, i have a wide 6 mm ss plate under all my cleats wide enough to spread the load, i prefer to see my cleats start to pull the deck than a cleat flying and leaving my arse dragging on top of something, boat, dock, rocks...
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Old 03-01-2015, 20:10   #64
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

And i dont want to sound a smartass but Hunter laminate aluminium backing plates under the deck gear áreas, cleats , winches etc... then i really dont understant this topic , a cleat snap off and the boat sank??
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Old 03-01-2015, 20:12   #65
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

Re the DuFour (sp?) traveller issue:

Accidental gybes happen, Smack. They happen to damn near everyone who sails much. IMO EVERY traveller and its supporting structure should be strong enough to withstand such an event, or several such events in succession with no damage whatsoever. It does not require such heavy scantlings to achieve this, so why not? The only reason is that it saves the builder money, and with any luck (for the builder) the fatal accidental gybe won't happen during the warranty period!

Oh... re your cleats and the drogue: if you are placed in the position of needing to use the drogue before you beef up the structure, some folks have taken a line leading forward from the cleat(s) to deck winches and placed some load in the opposite direction from the drag from the drogue. I am not a good enough engineer to evaluate the practice numerically, but intuitively it should help distribute the load to stronger structures.

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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

Smack, I'd bet you have glassed in backing plates just like I have. My Hunter rode out hurricane Ike (Cat 2) in Baytown, and no cleats pulled out.

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I call the busted cleat BS. First of all, you use two lines off the bow, one either side to the pennant on the ball. Not likely to lose two cleats at the same time. Probably the lines chaffed through.

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Smack, I'd bet you have glassed in backing plates just like I have. My Hunter rode out hurricane Ike (Cat 2) in Baytown, and no cleats pulled out.

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I call the busted cleat BS. First of all, you use two lines off the bow, one either side to the pennant on the ball. Not likely to lose two cleats at the same time. Probably the lines chaffed through.

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There seems to be a lot of BS here. The silence I hear in response to my questions a few posts ago speaks loudly to the nature of those who criticize here. They never seem to be able to support their statements.
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There seems to be a lot of BS here. The silence I hear in response to my questions a few posts ago speaks loudly to the nature of those who criticize here. They never seem to be able to support their statements.
Im not going to pick a fight here, but you can ask, what you want to know exactly?
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Im not going to pick a fight here, but you can ask, what you want to know exactly?
Post #52. Hope I don't have to ask a third time.

I'm not 'picking a fight'. Rather trying, perhaps a futile effort, to identify the truth.
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I'm not 'picking a fight'. Rather trying, perhaps a futile effort, to identify the truth.
Take this for granted as a example , the new Oceanis series from Beneteau use fender washers under the cleats.
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Jeaneau to. The Sun Odyssey perfomance line series use fender wahers.
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

RTB "My Hunter rode out hurricane Ike (Cat 2) in Baytown, and no cleats pulled out."

What size were the waves? (Wind alone doesn't apply much load)
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Take this for granted as a example , the new Oceanis series from Beneteau use fender washers under the cleats.
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Jeaneau to. The Sun Odyssey perfomance line series use fender wahers.
So 2 is "by far,many brands"? One if you consider who owns Jeanneau.

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Re the DuFour (sp?) traveller issue:

Accidental gybes happen, Smack. They happen to damn near everyone who sails much. IMO EVERY traveller and its supporting structure should be strong enough to withstand such an event, or several such events in succession with no damage whatsoever. It does not require such heavy scantlings to achieve this, so why not? The only reason is that it saves the builder money, and with any luck (for the builder) the fatal accidental gybe won't happen during the warranty period!
I know. However, there are all kinds of accidental gybes. I'm going to bet that the one on that Dufor didn't happen in 10 knots of breeze. Accidental gybes in gale force winds can bring down an entire rig. So I think we're just talking degrees here.

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Oh... re your cleats and the drogue: if you are placed in the position of needing to use the drogue before you beef up the structure, some folks have taken a line leading forward from the cleat(s) to deck winches and placed some load in the opposite direction from the drag from the drogue. I am not a good enough engineer to evaluate the practice numerically, but intuitively it should help distribute the load to stronger structures.

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Cool. Thanks for the info.
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RTB "My Hunter rode out hurricane Ike (Cat 2) in Baytown, and no cleats pulled out."

What size were the waves? (Wind alone doesn't apply much load)
Dude, did you look at his photo?

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There seems to be a lot of BS here. The silence I hear in response to my questions a few posts ago speaks loudly to the nature of those who criticize here. They never seem to be able to support their statements.
It really is weird isn't it? It makes you wonder what they are afraid of.
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