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Old 03-01-2015, 12:29   #16
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

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...The mooring field in the photo looks like they have packed the moorings i tigt to maximise their dollar... Maybe too tight. Paul says they are moored fore and aft... Tha could exacerbate the problem in a storm.

Indeed. The moorings at avalon are extremely tight. It's no place to be in a storm. They're all fore-aft, and the distance between them is very small. We've had to fender up because we would touch the boat next to us. Very sad incident.

Pic from the casino side (in better weather, obviously, stolen from the city of avalon's web site)

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Old 03-01-2015, 13:03   #17
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

Looks like a great place to be from.

I just reread Two Years Before the Mast, he talks a lot about SW storms and some big NW storms, I think.
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

I'm going to install watertight bulkheads beneath each of my bow cleats. I just can't believe Hunter would overlook something so critical in boat design.
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

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Indeed. The moorings at avalon are extremely tight. It's no place to be in a storm. They're all fore-aft, and the distance between them is very small. We've had to fender up because we would touch the boat next to us. Very sad incident.

Pic from the casino side (in better weather, obviously, stolen from the city of avalon's web site)

Very pretty place, but to leave a boat there full time?
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

Yep...there you have the Heart of California Cruising...and the reason why most California boats hit Turtle Bay for the first time heading to Mexico with the sticker still affixed to their new anchor.

If that looks like a fun weekend on the boat stacked in like cord wood....well....I'm the Tooth Fairy.
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I'm going to install watertight bulkheads beneath each of my bow cleats. I just can't believe Hunter would overlook something so critical in boat design.
You'd be better off checking your backing plates and quality of your cleats.
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

What would you do if you're mooring was secure, but some other boat has broken free and is drifting down on you. Cut yourself free of the mooring and try and power out? Likely you'll wrap the prop from all the lines in the water... dinghy painters, mooring lines, sand lines

Sail out if you have sufficient crew and skills aboard? Most are missing one or the other.

It would suck to have done all your homework but be taken out by another boat.
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

Judging from the picture of that mooring field, I don't think one would have any options.

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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

Looking more closely is seems a fair number of boats are rated up.
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

Relative to the picture of the bay is that what is called pleasure boating.
Rafting up could have actually caused the problem.No ratings or rules for the actual moorings?
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

While the title may be misleading, there can be issues in Avalon.
I enjoyed 1960 - 1988 sailing these beautiful waters, but if you were on a mooring or at anchor on the east side of Catalina and woke up to dry decks and/or a easterly wind, you better get to the other side.

Mid-70's we were at The Isthmus on our Cal 25 around Thanksgiving when a Santana wind came up. We immediately dropped the mooring and headed for the northwest end of the island. Since we were primarily a racer, we did not have storm sails, so we reefed the main and headed out with our trusty Johnson 5.5. At times I had to sit on the outboard to keep it in the water. We rounded the end of Catalina in winds that were reported as 70 knots, then tried to get down to Catalina Harbor. We finally got in the lee of the mountains and could put the 155 up and make it in. We hung out until the winds went back to the normal northwesterlys.

Wonderful memories! Still not as bad as Hurricane Ivan 2004 in Bayou Chico with 140 knots on Satori, our Cal 46. Short fetch across the bayou vs 26 miles from the mainland to Catalina. Remember the song, "Twenty six miles across the sea, beautiful Catalina waiting for me."
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

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Indeed. The moorings at avalon are extremely tight. It's no place to be in a storm.



Great photo, thankyou. Why the hell are people in that floating dock without a dock in the middle of winter?

And the OP blames it all on Hunter!
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

A lot of production boats have inadequate cleats in particular some of the french ones.

I am aware of friends with both FP and Lagoon cats that have ripped out cleats med mooring in the med.
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

I see nothing here that justifies the title of this thread.

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A lot of production boats have inadequate cleats in particular some of the french ones.

I am aware of friends with both FP and Lagoon cats that have ripped out cleats med mooring in the med.
To save money many of these boats don't use a proper backinglates on cleats, instead simply cheap fender washers.
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