Originally Posted by vtsailguy
There are so many models, it would help for a general break down.
I don't think there is such a thing.
This post about the Cherubini Hunters is the most informative I've seen regarding Hunter history
, and the Cherubini's are a very small part of Hunter history
I've been on sailboatowners.com since it was only hunterowners.com and have provided much information about my dad's work there. For the record, the following may be accepted as definitive (regardless of what others may have perceived or have heard from less-than-authoritative sources). In fact I worked on most of these designs myself, from age 15 on, and was physically present in the time and place at which nearly ALL of them were drawn, submitted, and promoted by my dad and by their builders.
John Cherubini work with Hunter comprises:
- Hunter 25, 1972 - Bob Seidelmann contributed, having first got the contract himself, but he brought in my dad thus establishing my dad's contract with Hunter;
- Hunter 30, 1973;
- Hunter 27, 1974;
- Hunter 33, about 1976;
- Hunter 37, about 1978;
- Hunter 35 and 36, c.1976-1979 - these were 'modified' from H33 molds, but my dad was designer of record for both;
- Hunter 54, 1977 - the B&R rig was contributed by Lars Bergstrom, meant for only Warren Luhrs' racing cutter; not all production H54s had this and indeed the original design meant for production was very different (and would have been much better had it not been for Hunter marketing). If it has a standing backstay, it is NOT a B&R rig.
The last Cherubini-designed Hunter in production was the H27, my dad's least favorite, which endured till 1984, the year after he died.
Also: Mainship 34, a design whose hull
in production, including as the Mainship 30 (just cut down by the stern).
The Raider and Hunter 33 were COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BOATS
. No one looking at both hulls to compare them would mistake that. The Raider's bow angle is close to 45 degrees; the Hunter boats' are typically about 60 degrees (he did this by eye; there was no formula). The Raider 33 has pronounced tumblehome; the H33 does not, coming out of a 1-piece mold
. The only
were the shoal-draft keel
(mounted much lower on the Raider than on the Hunter, yielding deeper draft) and (in some cases) the mainsail
(our R33, Antigone, had/has a H33 'tall-rig' main). The Hunter 33 is a very good design, perhaps the very best in terms of size-to-value, useful accommodation, performance and seaworthiness. I would take a properly-beefed-up H33 anywhere. The same goes for a Raider, which by comparison is much faster, lighter, higher-pointing and better-looking.
Other work my dad did, that I know of, includes:
- Essex 26 trailerable sloop, 1972 (he disliked the project; but it's actually a very good idea);
- Cherubini 44 double-headsail ketch (2 cutters which were dogs), 1971;
- Cherubini 48 staysail schooner, 1980;
- Cherubini 40/41 double-headsail yawl, c.1968;
- Cherubini 31 yawl, 1961;
- Sea Scamp clinker and plywood runabouts, 1957-1965;
- Norwalk 28 cruiser, 1954;
- 'River Rat' 30 double-bilgeboard sloop, c.1976;
- one-off 34' diesel 'steam launch' for John Luhrs, 1978;
- one-off 48' double-cabin/center-cockpit ketch, 1978.
During the period 1973-1978 my dad was house designer
for four separate companies: Essex, Hunter, Cherubini, and Raider, at the same time.
The posters' comments about build quality of both have merit; by now these matters need to be addressed by any buyer, sailor or owner of ANY
yacht of this vintage. Old cars get an 'exempt' classification for the odometer when they are so old that they must have been rebuilt a few times; the same should hold true for boats. Don't look at a 1970s production fiberglass
boat and expect to not find any dramatic blistering, delamination
, or water-intrusion problems. That doesn't detract from the boat's potential and intrinsic value however; and there is always value in resurrecting good design from times past rather than seeing it go to a landfill. I rescued Diana by virtue of paying her tardy (one-season's) yard bill and $6000 later have no regrets. See my blog for details.
My dad typically delegated design and component-engineering work to me during his whole tenure at Hunter. I contributed the interior concept
for the H25, thus getting 5 bunks in a 25-foot boat, and fostered the idea of the aft head
in the 33, which led to the interior
of our own R33. I designed the interior of the 30 and did the displacement
calculations for it. I did design work on Warren's 54 hull
and rig as well. I designed interiors and did rigging
, customer service
and sales support, and 'glass work for Cherubini Boat Company, 1975-1982. I built Raiders in 1982-1983, just before the shop closed. I built the original C44 plug
, which became the yacht Ecstasy (now Emerald) and the C48 plug
, which became the yacht Legacy. For Cherubini Yacht I redesigned/modernized the C44 rig and interior (2005-2015).
Anyone with further questions can e-mail me.
I am no longer affiliated with the company now known as Cherubini Yachts LLC of Delran NJ.
J Cherubini II
cherubiniways [at] gmail.com