Originally Posted by S/V Illusion
Here we go with the spade rudder, fin keel argument to support the contention only full keel skeg rudder wallowers can sail offshore. He even throws in the "keel will fall off" and "oil canning" phrases as though those are factual.
I thought we already put the chopper gun and no tabbing contentions where they belong but here we go again.
There will always be people who like to criticize, some even thinking they have a reason. Proves only that people can rationalize anything they want.
As I've said elsewhere on this forum, which seem to be full of internet experts (in their won minds), I recall no one in the cruising community with whom we spoke during a year in the Pacific traveling to places most of these "experts" never heard of who complained about their boat brand. Everyone had maintenance issues, broken equipment, engine problems, electrical problems, refrigeration problems, head problems, leaks, steering problems, etc... and not one of these experienced people ever blamed any of it on the manufacturer. Some of those boats would surprise the "experts" here that they got there at all!
Fortunately, the critics all seem to be limited to infesting this forum and overall, that's a good thing so we can all tell where they are. Educating them is a waste of time.
Of course you did. No one wants to admit face to face that they bought a nightmare. Your last statement, “Some of those boats would surprise the "experts" here that they got there at all!” says it all.
While searching the Internet (go figure), for more information concerning the 54, I stumbled across Sailnet and Scuttlebutt with similar questions asked back in 2008. Here are a few posts from owners and the resulting decision made by an OP’er
“As the owner of a Hunter 54 I can answer your questions. Its in Newport Beach
harbor on a mooring
“Yes the interior
room is small for a 54-foot boat. The v-berth is plenty for two people but the rear stateroom berth is barely adequate.
Most of them come with either the original 36 hp (Perkins I think) which is a little underpowered or like mine 76 hp yanmar
(more than enough)
Weak points are the plate that the keel bolt nuts go on top of; tends to corrode, and the steering quadrant. It is attached to plywood
which tends to rot
out and you lose steering at the wrong moment. Not hard or expensive to fix with carbon fiber or fiberglass
reinforcement, just be aware.
garage is usefull but cannot fit a normal size dinghy
in it without letting the air out. Lots of writing out there on forums
that this could cause problems in a following sea with it getting filled in, but have no experience with this. But the transom is really useful for boarding.
Got new mainsail
and headsail in 2006 from UK sails
, cost $10,000 for both including lazy jack system and sail cover
. In light winds it sails
okay, but once you get 10 knots or above it really starts to move. PHRF rating is 51.
Under power you really need an autopilot
. The boat will "turn on a dime" but has no directional stability under power. But under sail I can trim it to be more or less hands off.
I have had no core
or structural issues. The bulkheads are not attached to the hull
and so in any motion its noisy. Definitely not a blue water
boat, but fine for coastal.”
Any reasons to avoid one? Yes, tons of them but You already made up your mind. You didn't like the unvarnished facts posted elsewhere on 2 forum threads you started. You "have nothing but contempt" to all who responded with facts that don't fit your own views.
You wrote elsewhere:
"If I’ve done my research
right it appears that there are quite a few of these boats that have done transatlantics, transpacs, Chicago Macs, etc. Thanks to the lead on the Hunter Owners forum I found all but one had positive positions for this vessel. If these are to be believed, and there are race
results to back this up, the Hunter 54 is indeed a blue-water capable vessel."
You keep asking, on at least 3 different forum threads now, so you must have reservations, but when presented the numerous problems known about the boat, you lash out.
The other forum threads have told you about design issues [rudder too far forward due to dinghy garage, making it hard to steer off the wind], build issues by guys who worked in the factory in FL, undersized equipment issues, deck
flex issues, owners who had to reinforce the mast partners, hull blistering issues, cheap
junk electricals, flimsy rudder posts, perko crap fittings, poorly installed and leaking ports
, flimsy hatches, "MAJOR CONCERN to current
owners!!!!- ALL DECK HARDWARE
NEEDS TO BE INSPECTED._Much of the hardware
is not fastened well._This should be of major concern to you!! " and "This model has a problem with the steering attach points. They rot
out" and "she does flex and make more noise
than any other boat I have owned and I find the boat hard to steer off the wind
when powered up. Having lost
a mast I am out of action for a while"
I'd tell you about the one that pulled out it's chainplates and dismasted going to Bermuda
, but you don't want to hear it.
That's a lot of facts to ignore but Go spend your money
on it, take your young family
to sea in one...you'll see.
“Thanks for your thoughts, on the back of strong advice I will not be considering the Hunter 54 at this stage. It was the lines of the boat and its sailing performance that I found attractive, the length didn't really come into the selection process, although the available deck space for family
and friends on a Hunter 54 was very appealing. I was just looking for a boat that would be fun to sail, be capable of coastal cruising and was in my opinion, beautiful and when I saw the H54 the first time and the prices they are selling for, my enthusiasm overtook my sensibility. I am yet to come across another boat that looks as good, sails as good, has the space for family and friends and is also 20 feet shorter! But the research
Isn’t that the case? Our OP is being lured by pretty lines and a cheap
price. She is like a thoroughbred horse. Beautiful, sleek, delicate and good for mile. She’s not a Clydesdale made for heavy loads and going the distance…
PS You never answered my questions….