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Old 12-10-2012, 10:17   #46
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I guess this is where parental guidance comes in.

I feel very fortunate that my kids were raised in a manner that they are teaching my grandkids that the world does not revolve around electronic toys.

They are restricted to one hour after school. Their choice is the internet, TV or Nintendo. Pick one, or all three, but you have one hour.

Interestingly enough my oldest grandson, 7, prefers reading or hiking. I can guarantee he won't need electronic toys on a sailboat.
My kids were allowed unlimited access. One was interested, the other was not.

The one who was interested literally taught himself to read and perform complex addition and subtraction playing "ToeJam and Earl" at a preschool age.

Later in life, I paid attention to his "game playing" and realized that what we was really doing was working with his friends online to build virtual worlds and devices - basically, doing collaborative creative work using electronic media and digital collaboration tools (in the form of voice headsets and shared environments). The "game play" was really just a testing phase where they would use virtual interaction to "test" their devices and construction.

His current career interest is in Architecture, though he knows very little about it and has no idea of it's requirements. I see this "real-world" interest deriving directly from his virtual-world experiences.

Now, many years later, he is losing interest in electronic entertainment. In fact, I see that as a broad ongoing trend in society, in general. I think the "electronic entertainment" fad has more or less run it's course. The state of the art has peaked out and, while it will still be around and be available as an entertainment option, I think that it simply won't hold the kind of attention that it has in the past.
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My kids were allowed unlimited access. One was interested, the other was not.

The one who was interested literally taught himself to read and perform complex addition and subtraction playing "ToeJam and Earl" at a preschool age.

Later in life, I paid attention to his "game playing" and realized that what we was really doing was working with his friends online to build virtual worlds and devices - basically, doing collaborative creative work using electronic media and digital collaboration tools (in the form of voice headsets and shared environments). The "game play" was really just a testing phase where they would use virtual interaction to "test" their devices and construction.

His current career interest is in Architecture, though he knows very little about it and has no idea of it's requirements. I see this "real-world" interest deriving directly from his virtual-world experiences.

Now, many years later, he is losing interest in electronic entertainment. In fact, I see that as a broad ongoing trend in society, in general. I think the "electronic entertainment" fad has more or less run it's course. The state of the art has peaked out and, while it will still be around and be available as an entertainment option, I think that it simply won't hold the kind of attention that it has in the past.
I agree with certain parts of each of you logic's, if a kid plays video games and internet all the time and it's getting in the way of their school work, or really any negative effects from it then there should be certain restrictions but I don't believe that they should be so strict for many reasons. Sadly to extreme of restrictions will actually effect their life at school and effect their school life because their friends don't want to hang out with the kid that has can't ever do anything online with them or bond with their friends because they aren't ever able to do anything with them because their parents say no, then from there it get very corrupt, kids get mean and then come up with things to call them like loner, nerd, the nerd part comes from the fact that the other kids never see them doing anything else other than school work.
Also the loner gets in because usually if you have that strict of rules the kids also assume that since alot of other things are strict for them that they can't hang out either.

From that point it can literally destroy their social life and make them stressed and depressed, then their grades drop and they just give up, I would know about this because I used to be like that, then i moved and right around the time we moved i got more privileges then i became popular, this doesn't mean that I got dumb and slacked off, I used to play video games for hours a day and had a 4.0 GPA and was in all Honers classes,

I apologize for getting off topic and but i think that it's important that parents understand how much of their childs life they control. But I don't plan on them playing it all day though, i also have things like board-games and dominos but I don't want them to be bored, it's supposed to be fin despite what there doing for fun, now i hope we can all agree on this and you guys can help me with my power situation
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Nikola Tesla technology of the last turn of the century was to broadcast electric power to ships at sea from Bradcliff NY but industrialist JP Morgan stopped the project because he did not want to provide power without being on an electric meter to collect from sale of electricity.

As far fetched as this sounds, a study of this period of American history is fascinating.
A study of the beliefs people hold regarding Nikola Tesla is quite fascinating too.
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Oh for Pete's sake...

I frickin' hate grammar nazis and usually defend people's right to free writing but I can't let this pass...

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I used to play video games for hours a day and had a 4.0 GPA and was in all Honers classes,
1/ On what planet does writing like this gain a 4.0 GPA and admission to "honors" (with an "o") classes?
2/ Improper use of the conjunction "and"
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I agree with certain parts of each of you logic's, if a kid plays video games and internet all the time and it's getting in the way of their school work, or really any negative effects from it then there should be certain restrictions but I don't believe that they should be so strict for many reasons.
Sadly to extreme of restrictions will actually effect their life at school and effect their school life because their friends don't want to hang out with the kid that has can't ever do anything online with them or bond with their friends because they aren't ever able to do anything with them because their parents say no, then from there it get very corrupt, kids get mean and then come up with things to call them like loner, nerd, the nerd part comes from the fact that the other kids never see them doing anything else other than school work.
Also the loner gets in because usually if you have that strict of rules the kids also assume that since alot of other things are strict for them that they can't hang out either.

From that point it can literally destroy their social life and make them stressed and depressed, then their grades drop and they just give up, I would know about this because I used to be like that, then i moved and right around the time we moved i got more privileges then i became popular, this doesn't mean that I got dumb and slacked off, I used to play video games for hours a day and had a 4.0 GPA and was in all Honers classes,

I apologize for getting off topic and but i think that it's important that parents understand how much of their childs life they control. But I don't plan on them playing it all day though, i also have things like board-games and dominos but I don't want them to be bored, it's supposed to be fin despite what there doing for fun, now i hope we can all agree on this and you guys can help me with my power situation
I wouldn't even begin to be able to unravel the writing in this post.

PS - You don't have a power problem (independent clause) because you don't have a boat. (dependent clause)

I would have let this pass completely had you not claimed in the same (run on) sentence that you played hours of video games a day "and" were an honor student with a 4.0 GPA.

Look up irony in the dictionary...

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(I frickin' HATE myself now...)
Don't hate yourself! All you did was to put a troll in his place!

You also saved me from having to do it, so thank you!

Just when I was starting to think that we might be a little too hard on Chucklet, he goes and posts something like this!

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... Ya could crank it while your laying on the bunk in your hunter !!
At 13, he won't have time to crank a generator too. "Hello 12, hello 13, hello Love..."

What did I miss? I thought he was double circumsoloing?

Some thread! When Jim Cate and Ex-Cal and Bash are bashing ya, ya gotta be a troll. Albeit an honerable one.
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Ok let's try serious, although with Chuckles you never know. The big ticket items on a sailboat (in terms of electricity) are (not in order)

1- Fridge/freezer (especially freezer)
2- Chartplotter(s)
3- Autopilots
4- electric water pumps
Is this your experience or can you cite sources? My experience is a bit different.

SSB/computer (for e-mail and wefax) are tied with fridge & freezer on my boat (two compressors).

Getting one cycle of wefax each day instead of two helps a lot.

Insulation as you note is the best answer unless you are well to give up refrigeration. I'm not.

Autopilot power consumption can be cut significantly by reading the manual and adjusting the various parameters (rudder gain and hysteresis) for minimum draw.

Electric water pump doesn't even show up for me. Nav lights are a bigger deal. I do use foot pumps offshore, but that is for water conservation not energy conservation.
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Oh for Pete's sake...

I frickin' hate grammar nazis and usually defend people's right to free writing but I can't let this pass...



1/ On what planet does writing like this gain a 4.0 GPA and admission to "honors" (with an "o") classes?
2/ Improper use of the conjunction "and"
3/ Sentences end in periods not commas




I wouldn't even begin to be able to unravel the writing in this post.

PS - You don't have a power problem (independent clause) because you don't have a boat. (dependent clause)

I would have let this pass completely had you not claimed in the same (run on) sentence that you played hours of video games a day "and" were an honor student with a 4.0 GPA.

Look up irony in the dictionary...

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I have some experience providing constant electric power that cant be interrupted. For small power usage like your sailboat. These were for telecom sites that had to be operating before power lines could be brought in. We used a small 4kw Yamaha diesel generator. Modded the oil capacity and filters , modded fuel filter. Add a 500 gal fuel tank. Installed telemetry so we could monitor, shut down or start up over cell ph. longest run time from power on to power off was just over 6 months 4500 + hrs on hour meter at end of run on that site. Gen had 7hrs at start up. I think 9000 hrs would have been no problem after analyzing the oil and filters. we had plans to be able to change oil and filters without shut down . But never found the need. Used about 400 + - gals diesel /mo. At full power. 500 gal tank and generator set on 8 x 12 ft trailer with 2 ea.3500 lb axle. Pulled to site with tank empty. Could have been delivered full if needed. Power plant itself had small foot print less than 3x4 ft 2.5 tall. had to remain with in 40 deg of level for oil sump. Could be modded for more.
Small turbine powered generators as used on unmand platforms in the gulf, run 100S OF 1000 of hrs constant power. But you may not want to pay the up front price . I have not used the turbines but think that it is best constant power, most cost effective option if talking years of uninterrupted power and has a small footprint.
. Like my modded Yamaha. Fuel supply between refills may take up the most space and be your largest problem for continues electrical power.
This was done in 1998 so would be even easier now.
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The elephant in the room (that people only infer about) is that any teenager with good cyber skills can jump on to CF , register and announce he is Capt. Ahab. Chuckles gave himself away by his complete lack of any nautical knowledge, but he is learning and I nodiced he has started giving advice. How many posers are just a little smarter than chuckles and are out there giving advice that they have only read about?
Maybe I should start a thread on how internet advice can kill...
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How many posers are just a little smarter than chuckles and are out there giving advice that they have only read about?
Maybe I should start a thread on how internet advice can kill...
Oh, come on Newt...Doesn't everyone get their expert advice from total strangers online?

We don't even need doctors anymore, because the answers to all of our medical problems are answered online by real experts with strong Google-Fu!



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Yeah, and I was talking to a friend of mine on how we should just have drive through surgery- just stick your broken arm out and pay at the window...
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Yeah, and I was talking to a friend of mine on how we should just have drive through surgery- just stick your broken arm out and pay at the window...
No need...Just post the DIY instructions, and collect through PayPal!
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