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Old 09-01-2016, 06:46   #16
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Those things are like an apartment inside. But comical to watch on a day with a strong crosswind.
But just like a small airplane they manage by crabbing. Mind you it's still a lot of freeboard and a very small wetted surface.


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Lol i can image going straight with the bow at 45 degree to the wind Lol

By grabbing means? ( sorry my english)

Yea i read that they are not very good in bad weather, too much flat botton, very aggressive and rapid reaction to waves...

There should be something with quite deep V bottom but higher freeboard to have more space possible for a given hull lenght
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Lol i can image going straight with the bow at 45 degree to the wind Lol

By grabbing means? ( sorry my english)

Yea i read that they are not very good in bad weather, too much flat botton, very aggressive and rapid reaction to waves...

There should be something with quite deep V bottom but higher freeboard to have more space possible for a given hull lenght
There are a few still around..

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Thanks

Wich is according to you is the best rig for offshore cruise?
although i sailed sloop since age 7, and love sailing sloops as daysailors and short hop cruising, for long passages and full time cruising, i prefer ketches as the sail pattern is so versatile. split the rig into jibn mizzen for high wind areas--prevent knockdowns in chubasco situations and make a better balance with storms and winds. watched as i sailed err bashed a sloop into headwinds and seas at 1 kt or so sog, a ketch under jib n jigger sail same point of sail well away from us--progressed efficiently and positively to our negative progress. was most impressive. and yes i did own this boat, a ketch, when i went to sail gom in a sloop for a year. prefer, hands down, the heavy ketch in handling and sailing in high winds.
watching that ketch pullaway from us so easily made me wish i had my ketch in gom...
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By grabbing means? ( sorry my english)
Crabbing; Moving sideways like a crab walks.
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What about one of this, how does it behave in strong wind?

Imagine it without the upper deck, with mast and sails ( ordinary sloop) and a lifting keel...
Nice caravan homes!

Perhaps if you do insist on masts, sails and all that junk, you may consider slightly less freeboard, like here:

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Old 09-01-2016, 07:46   #21
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One thing a lot of people forget to think about to getting back on the boat after falling overboard. Think about a boarding ladder that can be deployed while in the water. l have falling in twice, once off my sailboat while sailing at 6kts and once while working on a barge. Both times being able to quickly get back on board was important. Three people have died at our marina by falling in the water at their boats. Another close friend fell in Feb and was near unconscious when a neighbor boater who was a SEAL team member pulled him out and called for help. Also we hear stories about people dropping the anchor and jumping over the side for a swim and not being able to get back on board.
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Thanks boatman, i really love a tall boat lol, but about 30/35 feet long..ang maybe 12 high it turns out to be a skyscraper LOL

Hey look a sinking boat!! Ah no, its just the rised up stern lol


Thanks goat, i get it

Barnakiel, i 'd need more space possible for about 30/35 ft...

Puffcard, yes i though about a fixed, welded ladder on the stern, so always easy to climb up in case someone fall in the water...
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My 36 has a higher than typical for that size free board. It has a flush deck and no coach roof. What the architect Zaal did was to essentially raise the deck height to where the coach roof would have been. The deck is created as a section with vertical return about 18" which are joined to the hull. Ports are placed in the "vertical" returns.

This give a very high overall head room. (there is a slight maybe 8" rise" where the coach roof would be).

You cannot climb on board from the sides... too high unless the boat is heeled over.
The stern as boarding ladder which drops down as a swim ladder and you can board from the sea

The deck is higher and so getting on and off is a BIG step for most floating docks. You need to "pull yourself up".

The hull has more windage so she's restless at anchor

But... the boat is a dry sail...lots of interior volume... light and with pretty much flush decks easy to move around on deck.

Some plusses and minuses... I think the pluses win. YMMV
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My 36 has a higher than typical for that size free board. It has a flush deck and no coach roof. What the architect Zaal did was to essentially raise the deck height to where the coach roof would have been. The deck is created as a section with vertical return about 18" which are joined to the hull. Ports are placed in the "vertical" returns.

This give a very high overall head room. (there is a slight maybe 8" rise" where the coach roof would be).

You cannot climb on board from the sides... too high unless the boat is heeled over.
The stern as boarding ladder which drops down as a swim ladder and you can board from the sea

The deck is higher and so getting on and off is a BIG step for most floating docks. You need to "pull yourself up".

The hull has more windage so she's restless at anchor

But... the boat is a dry sail...lots of interior volume... light and with pretty much flush decks easy to move around on deck.

Some plusses and minuses... I think the pluses win. YMMV

Thanks, it sounds very nice, i'll check for your boat ( the same, not exactly your's one)
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I think your ideal boat is for sale in the Netherlands ....

Fifty Fifty uit 1961 te koop op Botentekoop.nl



Broker says it's *perfect* for sailing around the world too
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I think your ideal boat is for sale in the Netherlands ....

Fifty Fifty uit 1961 te koop op Botentekoop.nl



Broker says it's *perfect* for sailing around the world too

That's great, thanks!

I must build one of the same lol

Seriously, its great, but 18 meters... And 2 x engine

How do you think it does behave in bad weather? The stern saloon is great, big...
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My personal opinion about this boat?
I wouldn't take her out to sea, let's put it that way. Pretty sure the broker wouldn't either, eventho he's trying to sell the thing as "perfect for world cruising".

For me personally, this is one for the "kill it with fire before it lays eggs" category, but I'm pretty sure there's plenty of people out there who can see themselves living aboard. And, granted, you get a lot of room for your money. If you take off the masts and use her as a motorboat / liveaboard, it'll serve it's purpose.
(tho for the Netherlands, she'll still be too high for many bridges.)

As to sailing ... nah. Not even on the IJsselmeer, to be honest, unless 100% sure it'll be a very sunny day with just enough wind to motorsail
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My personal opinion about this boat?
I wouldn't take her out to sea, let's put it that way. Pretty sure the broker wouldn't either, eventho he's trying to sell the thing as "perfect for world cruising".

For me personally, this is one for the "kill it with fire before it lays eggs" category, but I'm pretty sure there's plenty of people out there who can see themselves living aboard. And, granted, you get a lot of room for your money. If you take off the masts and use her as a motorboat / liveaboard, it'll serve it's purpose.
(tho for the Netherlands, she'll still be too high for many bridges.)
As to sailing ... nah.
Lol burnt it before it gets eggs lol never heard before

However me too, absolutely not convinced about it, i would never and never bought a used steel boat, if not for a very low price (meaning to be repainted, everywhere, sandblasted and everything redone from bottom to cieling)

You mean it's nice when moored or motor going in flat water..i've found a canal boat, beautiful like a tall boat, very big inside...completely flat bottom lol...
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As with everything, every design feature has trade offs. There is no "correct" answer.

If you will always be at the same dock that is well off the water, it won't be a big deal.

If you deal with a lot of floating docks...I've seen boats with 6' freeboard where the owners never would have been able to tie off without help from people on the dock. Also some marinas don't allow steps on the dock.

Don't overlook he ability to get back on board. Helped a guy last spring who fell in and it wasn't until there were 3 of us, we couldn't get him out because hypothermia was limiting his ability to help climb out. Do that offshore with just the wife to help and it's not a pretty picture.
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As with everything, every design feature has trade offs. There is no "correct" answer.

If you will always be at the same dock that is well off the water, it won't be a big deal.

If you deal with a lot of floating docks...I've seen boats with 6' freeboard where the owners never would have been able to tie off without help from people on the dock. Also some marinas don't allow steps on the dock.

Don't overlook he ability to get back on board. Helped a guy last spring who fell in and it wasn't until there were 3 of us, we couldn't get him out because hypothermia was limiting his ability to help climb out. Do that offshore with just the wife to help and it's not a pretty picture.

Yes, i'm looking for the best balance for my requirements...

I've been on a boat (like many else i guess) that the swimming ladder is the same that can be used to get off the boat...(it was a foldable one, in 3 pieces, with 2 elastics rope to keep it both perfectly vertical (swim mode) and elongeg () while at the marina, it was a 36 ft boat, about 1,30-1.40 meters heigh freeboard, and the ladder was about 2 feet from the marina floating dock...i'd say confortable

Mh, yess i get your idea...in theory if you are tied, and the rope doesn't broke, you are conscius, you can quite easly go back to the rope and climb back on board....i know...IF...I read about people fall outboard, the rope got broken, he get the head out of the water 30 feet behind the boat, and luckly there was a parachute anchor...he get on it and came back on board pratically by himself (boat rolled over in very bad weather condition), he state that if it was not for the anchor's rope he would be dead for sure...
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