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Old 04-06-2015, 10:19   #1
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Henri Amel

I like the latest Amels but do you think Henri Amel would like them or roll in his grave?
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Old 04-06-2015, 14:50   #2
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Re: Henri Amel

He espoused change when needed to make his boats better.. for instance his later models like the SM and the 54 saw increased water line lengths...

The 55 offers a lot of comfort.
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Re: Henri Amel

I like the Amel boats I have seen, but my focus has been on used boats prior to 2000.

What, specifically, do you see that might make him upset?

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Old 04-06-2015, 18:12   #4
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Re: Henri Amel

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I like the Amel boats I have seen, but my focus has been on used boats prior to 2000.

What, specifically, do you see that might make him upset?

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I guess they seem to be getting more complex in their systems which would be counter to the intended goal.
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Old 05-06-2015, 02:25   #5
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Re: Henri Amel

I do not have good knowledge of the new boats. But... Amel always used simple, proven components. For instance, the 55/64 have Webasto AC/heating. We chose the same components for our SM and can assure you the AC works extremely well.

The windlass is the same Italian manufacturer, the water makers are still from Dessalator AFAIK..

We do not need an ice machine on board...:big grin:
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Re: Henri Amel

Something tells me he would be happy with hull developments but prefer to keep the main focus on the ketch, because of the reliance on electrics, especially for ocean passages, with large sloop sails, although not to exclude the sloops, if they retain the other Amel themes, guard rail etc.
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Re: Henri Amel

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What, specifically, do you see that might make him upset?
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With the average safety stability (low for a luxury cruiser), relatively low AVS and relatively big inverted stability?

I made on my blog a post about the Amel 50 where I explain and detail that.
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Re: Henri Amel

Newer Amel's have more open space inside, unlike older ones. But, as long as there enough handholds, the new designs should be OK.
Also, the Amel 50 has the twin rudders and wider stern. Again, this is a modern sailboat feature.

From what I can tell, the company is staying true to the Amel spirit but they are slowly modernizing it in order to stay current with the market demands, just like every other company.

I think Henry Amel would have been more resistant to change. This might not have been the right choice though...
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Re: Henri Amel

The new design is looking to future sales. If the old designs were still selling like a house afire they would not be introducing new models.....
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Sadly, the newer hull profile on the Amel 55 meant that the water tank had to move, and consequently the iconic Amel water gauge (stick on a float next to the companionway) was no longer possible ;-(
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That seems to be typical of alot of changes, less simple/mechanical things and more dependence on electric. It would be interesting to have some feedback from the designers at Berret Racoupeau on all this as well as the very important things like the inverted stability concerns and high freeboard. Alot of potential for failing electronics etc. In interview with Delos skipper the designer was be able to explain a few things.
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Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Andrew, & Seajay.
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Re: Henri Amel

I had this conversation with a friend of mine who is just finishing his 17 year circumnavigation on his Super maramu, he loves his boat but believes the current 50 isn't something Henry Amel would've design. Twin unprotected rudders etc came up in conversation as well as a emphasis on form.
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Re: Henri Amel

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I had this conversation with a friend of mine who is just finishing his 17 year circumnavigation on his Super maramu, he loves his boat but believes the current 50 isn't something Henry Amel would've design. Twin unprotected rudders etc came up in conversation as well as a emphasis on form.
Well, don't forget the increasing prices...
For a current 50' well equipped and afloat, count a good € 1.000.000,00 ex taxes !
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I think Henri, in his later years was a function over form guy so it's unlikely that he would have made such a drastic move but then that just amplifies why you need a change at the top if you want a different product. The buyer profiles are changing, buyers are older well heeled and probably aren't really interested in crossing oceans. They like the "brand" and what in conjures up but are more likely to spend all their time in the Med or Caribbean.
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