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Old 03-04-2013, 20:19   #1
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Help with a budget for 45 ft. cruiser

Hey everyone,

I have been looking at boats now for the past year or so, researching as much as possible about finding an ideal cruising sailboat to meet my needs. To cut to the chase, I have really fell in love with a certain boat and I am trying to put together some loose numbers, but I have never outfitted a yacht before so I need some help. Just to state, the boat will be used to mostly cruise the Caribbean, and it will be myself and my parents, who are in their 60's, and my hound dog.

The yacht we will use for this will be a 48 ft. C&C Landfall 48. I put 45 ft. in the title for generalization. I understand that C&C only made ~24 hulls, and this is the yacht I'm interested in:
1980 C&C Landfall Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

I will list how I plan on outfitting the yacht, and if anyone could provide me with some rough estimates as to what it would cost to purchase the equipment and most likely have it installed, etc.

Electronics: The listing says the electronics will need to be updated. I would like to have GPS, Radar, an EPIRB, and VHF with AIS. Most likely a moderate system, nothing insane. I understand that we could go off on an entire new thread based on this, but I would like to consolidate everything into one thread, based on the cruising vessel as a whole, rather than post multiple threads in various sub-forums.

Engines: Seem to be fine.

A/C: Doesn't appear to be installed. Any idea of how much a decent system would cost to be installed? Do I need to have new thru-hulls put in?

Deck/Cockpit: Ideally, I would like to have a hard bimini top over the main part of the cockpit, with a sturdy arch on the stern.

Green Power: I would like to have 2 solar panels mounted on the hardtop bimini, and a wind generator on the arc. Does this seem like a good setup for cruising mostly in the Caribbean?

This should be enough for now. As I said before, I know this is alot to ask and there are so many different answers for each question, but any rough estimates would be great, just throw 'em at me!

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Re: Help with a budget for 45 ft. cruiser

40-50k if you are getting people to install it for you
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Nice big boat...
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Re: Help with a budget for 45 ft. cruiser

Nice looking boat.

You're looking at $100k for a 33 year old boat.

I like to use a rule of thumb that yearly costs are 25% of the good condition value so I'd be anticipating some $60+k to bring the boat up to scratch as almost every part of the boat is going to need rebuilding/replacing/fixing/maintaining.

Then $40k p.a. after that.

You'll need a survey to get a better idea, but it may be possible to spread the work (and expenditure) out a bit.
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Re: Help with a budget for 45 ft. cruiser

If you plan to install air conditioning you will also have to install a generator unless you only be staying at marinas and connected to shore power. Figure $15-$20,000 installed.
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Re: Help with a budget for 45 ft. cruiser

Skipmac, the vessel is already equipped with a 7.5 kw diesel generator.

Thanks for the responses everyone. Boracay, totally agree about getting a survey. I would love to see what condition she is in. I was hoping I could get by spending less than that :/

What is P.A.?

For a 1980 boat, she does appear to be in pretty decent shape, which is also a good thing.

What about the A/C, can you use the existing thru-hulls or do you need to drill new ones?
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Skipmac, the vessel is already equipped with a 7.5 kw diesel generator.
That wasn't clear to me on the listing. So there's one big expense you don't have.


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What about the A/C, can you use the existing thru-hulls or do you need to drill new ones?
Maybe, probably, depends. You may be able to plumb into an existing through hull for the cooling water intake but the output may be a little more difficult to find an appropriate connection.
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Re: Help with a budget for 45 ft. cruiser

I've been looking at the portable AC units for houses. They are only about $500. Something like... Amazon.com: Whynter ARC-10WB 10,000 Btu Portable Air Conditioner: Home & Kitchen

Most of them double as a heater also. Something I've been playing thinking about when we're in Mexico
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Jared, that's an interesting alternative, thanks.
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Nice looking boat. It will be expensive to bring it up to your specs and outfit. I purchased an '88 43' Beneteau about 1.5 yrs ago. Purchase price was $56K, which was a great deal based on the market and a lot of feedback from several sources. I am just completing the "major" work and will have a total of about $90-95K in it. A lot of money to get it where I want it to be, but it is ready to go offshore at this point. It's a ton of work and you will be surprised at what comes up - after the survey...
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Nice looking boat.

You're looking at $100k for a 33 year old boat.

I like to use a rule of thumb that yearly costs are 25% of the good condition value so I'd be anticipating some $60+k to bring the boat up to scratch as almost every part of the boat is going to need rebuilding/replacing/fixing/maintaining.

Then $40k p.a. after that.

You'll need a survey to get a better idea, but it may be possible to spread the work (and expenditure) out a bit.
Couple of comments. Can't imagine spending $40k per year after the update is complete. Our boat is a 1982 45' and we didn't spend $45k a year for everything including insurance, food, liquid refreshments, etc. The $100k should it. Might be less depending on specific needs like ground tackle, autopilot, windlass, batteries, alternator, condition of hatches, ports, et al. Those things add up in a hurry, especially for a boat this size.

Things you could save money on or make a better job. We have a/c and a genset and have used it once in the past four years, to make sure it still works. In the Caribbean you don't need it since there is always wind to keep you cool. Be careful with solar panel positioning. Shading will make a huge hit on output.

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I've been looking at the portable AC units for houses. They are only about $500. Something like... Amazon.com: Whynter ARC-10WB 10,000 Btu Portable Air Conditioner: Home & Kitchen

Most of them double as a heater also. Something I've been playing thinking about when we're in Mexico
Be sure you look closely at this type unit. Safety is a concern as it must be lashed securely which may not be easy. 10,000BTU is not going to cool a 45 foot boat. Maybe one sleeping cabin. Most of these require air flow in and out of the boat. Be sure to check how much and how the air ducting works. I have seen people buy these and throw them off the boat after a month.
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Re: Help with a budget for 45 ft. cruiser

if out fitting for the carib a/c is the first thing i would cross off the list,what i would invest in is good quality sun awnings for the boom,fwd deck and aft deck,some fans in the cabins and a good windscoop for the main hatch.
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Dave,

I just finished two of these projects on my boat, so here's the data:

Electronics - we went for a Furuno 14" touchscreen, 4 kW radar and active AIS. The autopilot and the Raymarine parts remained and are supplying their data via a little translator box. cost without installation approx. 14k

A/C and heating: We have a cat, so you might do with a little less cooling capacity. I installed a 9 kW Diesel heater and a 50,000 btuh dual compressor set with 5 fan coils (3 in cabins, 2 in salon) because I wanted to be able to heat at anchor, too, without running the generator. Hardware cost around 20k.

I did most of the installation myself, just had a specialist there for 4 days for start-up, final wiring and programming. Still was an expensive exercise, but the results are very pleasing

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I couldnt tell if you had already purchased the boat or not and I am sure you are aware already, but the landfalls have a balsa cored hull, not just desks. Before you get too emotionally attached to this particular boat (if it is not already yours), really check it out. Potential for some really nasty surprises- we had one for a short time. Couldn't run away fast enough.

Not to dampen your excitement, good luck with your upcoming adventures. Oh, and I agree, shade awnings may eliminate the want for ac.
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