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Old 28-12-2011, 17:01   #46
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Re: Heaving To With a Fin Keel...

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LMAO How many modern day yachts would have a substantial METAL bucket aboard?
Handles and connections as strong as the rope used???? Seriously can any contributor actually attest that they have used a bucket for this purpose?
Granted if caught in the conditions that warrant slowing the boat down you'd tie the family dog on if necessary but maybe go buy a drogue/parachute prior or plan on trailing sheet ropes and experiment with those tools... Only my opinion.

You know, I said it was completely untested. It would have been nice to discuss it without having my friends trash-talked and me laughed at. It wasn't necessary, and believe it or not, I too am skeptical about it. I just didn't realize that someone would use the idea as a chance to try to make someone else feel foolish.

Sometimes one asks questions and it leads to better ideas. That's happened here to me twice today, but the other people had the good manners not to snicker.
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Old 28-12-2011, 17:15   #47
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You know, I said it was completely untested. It would have been nice to discuss it without having my friends trash-talked and me laughed at. It wasn't necessary, and believe it or not, I too am skeptical about it. I just didn't realize that someone would use the idea as a chance to try to make someone else feel foolish.

Sometimes one asks questions and it leads to better ideas. That's happened here to me twice today, but the other people had the good manners not to snicker.
It's the bucket not you? I see it as funny trailing a bucket, i have not had a go at you at all and if that's how u perceive it that wasn't my intent. :-)
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Old 28-12-2011, 17:16   #48
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You know, I said it was completely untested. It would have been nice to discuss it without having my friends trash-talked and me laughed at. It wasn't necessary, and believe it or not, I too am skeptical about it. I just didn't realize that someone would use the idea as a chance to try to make someone else feel foolish.

Sometimes one asks questions and it leads to better ideas. That's happened here to me twice today, but the other people had the good manners not to snicker.
Why do you refer that iv'e trash talked your friends? Where did i do that???
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Old 28-12-2011, 17:29   #49
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Re: Heaving To With a Fin Keel...

Back to the bucket for a moment..........

it gave me the idea of getting a cheaper/smaller drogue/drift anchor that could be deployed off the bow to assist in heaving to.

There is a fellow who shows up at SSCA gams and the such who hawks pretty inexpensive drogues. I don't know how well they will hold up but the smaller ones might do well for a bow/heaving to application.

Just thinking.
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It's the bucket not you? I see it as funny trailing a bucket, i have not had a go at you at all and if that's how u perceive it that wasn't my intent. :-)

OK.
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Re: Heaving To With a Fin Keel...

Tires can withstand alot of punishment,they can also be painted white...
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Back to the bucket for a moment..........

it gave me the idea of getting a cheaper/smaller drogue/drift anchor that could be deployed off the bow to assist in heaving to.

There is a fellow who shows up at SSCA gams and the such who hawks pretty inexpensive drogues. I don't know how well they will hold up but the smaller ones might do well for a bow/heaving to application.

Just thinking.
As a general rule, drogues are not all that expensive. And while a good drogue might cost you a bit more than a bucket or a tire....
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Re: Heaving To With a Fin Keel...

OT but thinking about tires...sorta....

I generally keep 2 or 3 largish inner tubes on the boat, impromptu fenders, flotation, buoys, dingy, etc.

Can be kinda handy and don't take up much space.
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Back to the bucket for a moment..........

it gave me the idea of getting a cheaper/smaller drogue/drift anchor that could be deployed off the bow to assist in heaving to.

There is a fellow who shows up at SSCA gams and the such who hawks pretty inexpensive drogues. I don't know how well they will hold up but the smaller ones might do well for a bow/heaving to application.

Just thinking.
Once deployed and you've rode out the danger you then have to bring it back on board, the one we have has a trip mechanism similar to a trip rope on an anchor. When you start bringing it back on board the conditions will likely be still strong and heaving in can be very tiresome.
Thats the only advantage of cutting away but that's not really a great environmental thing to do.
Similar to 'home brew anti-foul' it's best to evaluate whats offered on the market as quite likely the research has already been done, i think you are on the right track there. Cheers
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Tires can withstand alot of punishment,they can also be painted white...
Yet to see paint stay on rubber. For fenders on an older motorboat iv'e seen them sewn into a netting they looked quite good however you need to have a topside that doesnt mind the scuffing!!!!
Getting off that thread pieces of towing rope look cool as well.
Trailing a heavy sheet and using the winches to retrieve is an option!
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OT but thinking about tires...sorta....

I generally keep 2 or 3 largish inner tubes on the boat, impromptu fenders, flotation, buoys, dingy, etc.

Can be kinda handy and don't take up much space.
Great for towing behind the dinghy with kids in...
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so your saying this fin keel would need to be sailed in a storm?

both would need diferent storm tactic?
On our fin keeled boat we fore reach. We've done it in 50+ knots/ 25 foot seas. Slowed the boat down to .75knots, pretty comfy ride.

Lower the headsail sheet in the main, except for that last tug to make her taunt, tell the monitor windvane to sail hard to weather. She heads up until the sail luffs and falls back off, repeat etc.
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On our fin keeled boat we fore reach. We've done it in 50+ knots/ 25 foot seas. Slowed the boat down to .75knots, pretty comfy ride.

Lower the headsail sheet in the main, except for that last tug to make her taunt, tell the monitor windvane to sail hard to weather. She heads up until the sail luffs and falls back off, repeat etc.

I can't envision what it is you're doing with the headsail and mainsail there but I surely would like to know how to do it!
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Once deployed and you've rode out the danger you then have to bring it back on board, the one we have has a trip mechanism similar to a trip rope on an anchor. When you start bringing it back on board the conditions will likely be still strong and heaving in can be very tiresome.
Thats the only advantage of cutting away but that's not really a great environmental thing to do.
Similar to 'home brew anti-foul' it's best to evaluate whats offered on the market as quite likely the research has already been done, i think you are on the right track there. Cheers
I was kinda thinking use the windlass, since it is off the bow.
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I was kinda thinking use the windlass, since it is off the bow.
Absolutely...... sheet or anchor depending on which end of the boat you are deploying ie slowing the boat down or heading the boat up...A trip feature makes it so much easier and safer. cheers
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