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Old 09-12-2014, 21:15   #16
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Re: Heave To and Anchor

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Hmmm...

Seems like what you are describing is a lot like what you do when you sail the anchor out!
I reckon that it would quickly pluck out the hook and set you adrift.

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This.

Why? More windage with sails up.
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Old 09-12-2014, 21:23   #17
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Re: heave to and anchor

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As stated above, heaving to and anchoring are mutually exclusive. However, some boats do fly a riding sail to keep the bows into the wind. You might want to investigate that.

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That is more for a light wind situation with opposing tidal current
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Old 10-12-2014, 00:21   #18
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Re: Heave To and Anchor

Well, now, Pelagic, I can't quite agree with that. Any time you'd rather take the wind on the bows is a reasonable time to deploy a riding sail.

fourwinds, Honestly, I'd say that's a lesson well learned. Good on ya!


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Old 10-12-2014, 00:25   #19
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My mistake Ann, I misunderstood you at first
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Re: Heave To and Anchor

Hi Guys
when I first saw this thread, I thought it was a April-fools joke, but on second thought it is nearly Christmas, so that cannot be....

Heaving to is something you do while under way. While at anchor you are supposed to be stationary, so as mentioned a couple of time above, they are mutually exclusive.

Just for your info here is an article on heaving to:
Heaving To - Parking your boat without anchoring

With regards to boats 'sailing' while at anchor, mono-hulls tend to sail back and forth while multi-hulls tend to surge fore and aft. In either case reduce the dindage forward and center the rudder. Also ensure that the anchor rode is centered forward. for a multi, as well as some monos use a pair of snubbers. with most monohulls, run the rode and snubber over the bow roller.
If this does not solve the problem, a small sea anchor or drogue deployed off the stern will help (also with multi-hulls).

in a rolly anchorage - wind and waves coming from different directions, some boats will ride better is you deploy a second bridle led aft on the windward side to pull the bow into the wind. This worked fine with our previous boat. With our current boat we deploy a stern anchor to turn the boat into the waves.
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Well that's how it it's supposed to be but the last boat I owned I swear sailed better at anchor than underway.
Make sure your helm is tied so the rudder is in line with the keel and anchor or she will sail port and starboard a......
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fourwinds, Honestly, I'd say that's a lesson well learned. Good on ya!


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Yes Ann, well learned indeed. Had to sail off anchor from a tight spot in the bayou because of a failed lift pump on my engine. To get to the wheel faster decided I wouldd secure the anchor properly wben I got out to the bay. And then forgot to do so.

For once was glad I didn't have a new gen anchor that sets like a slamming door. Probably would have ripped the bow off the boat.

Asked a friend and long time sailor/tug boat captain if he had ever done that. He paused a second and said, " Only once, that's all it takes ". I agreed, never again.
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Old 10-12-2014, 11:39   #23
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Make sure your helm is tied so the rudder is in line with the keel and anchor or she will sail port and starboard a......
Didn't matter. I tried with the rudder centered, hard over, in between. Boat still sailed around the anchor like I was in a round the buoys race.
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Re: Heave To and Anchor

goincruisin suggests reducing windage forward to reduce sailing around at anchor. We've only done this once, in preparation for an anticipated cyclone, and it did make quite a lot of difference. The devil is in the details, though. It is pretty easy to drop our inner furling jib on deck, and flake it and get it in its sailbag, but the 120% also furling headsail, not so easy to get it folded on deck and into its bag. We had to leave it in the cockpit, could not get it small enough to go in sail locker or through the companionway. Nonetheless, it did make the boat more settled at anchor. It is not an activity to undertake lightly, in that you have to pretty much wait for very light to calm if you then want to put up one [or both] of those sails.

goincruisin also mentions using a drogue off the stern. We had a friend with a tri who used to do that in an area with a tidal stream so that he'd lie like the monohulls did. It worked in that situation. We have another friend who deployed one just off his bows, and it worked that way as well, to reduce sailing in a crowded anchorage in Tasmania.

Ourselves have on various occasions, sprung from the anchor chain to the stern to get the bows more into waves, and used a stern anchor.

Any tactic that is quick to do and doesn't involve having to set another anchor is a good thing in life, IMO.

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Re: Heave To and Anchor

Just be sure there are no boats or other obstacles near by when you try this one!
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Has anyone hove-to in addition to anchoring,
I had almost 9 to 1 scope at high tide...
... didn't want to deal with changes in wind direction or tide at night.
I would drop a second anchor at such a situation, to keep the boat in the preferred direction under the changed conditions.
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Re: Heave To and Anchor

I believe that the use of a drogue under anchor with tide will depend on the direction of the tide relative to the wind.
If the tide is against the wind, a stern drogue will do what? turn the boat around? or am I mistaken.
Deployed from the bow in such a situation may help to keep the bow into the wind.
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Re: Heave To and Anchor

Yeah, different animals altogether.
Kedge the boat with a secondary anchor to get it to set more comfortably to the wind and wave fetch.
Also, FLOPPER STOPPERS.


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Re: Heave To and Anchor

That won't work well cause when the anchor sets its holding you fast and the sails up will make the boat sail wildly around and side to side, Kedging is what you want.
Never be hove to in an Anchorage.


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Re: Heave To and Anchor

Maybe I am getting my terminology mixed up, but when Ann mentioned "Riding sail" to me that is a small mizzenmast sail near the stern to keep the boat head into the wind.

Hove to is where you use a combination of 2 sails....one backed to let the boat self balance with head towards sea.

Never thought of doing that in conjunction with anchoring as things could go bad real fast.
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