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19-01-2014, 11:08
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Location: OBX, NC
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
Jimmy Jaz - Reliances were generally "owner finished" and so can vary dramatically in quality. I looked at a very nice Reliance 44 in Deltaville, VA. The joinery was absolutely amazing and the interior layout was very much in the old offshore school; being quite tight considering the overall size of the boat. Unfortunately the asking price at the time was around $190K and was not even close to being reasonable and I couldn't see any path to achieving a "great price' with this seller. I see the price has now come down to $159K and I suspect the owners, who live in Canada are probably ready to cut the cord. Bet someone could get this for $125K - $130K. If all the systems are still functional that might be a good deal. Here is a link to the listing:
1992 Reliance 44 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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19-01-2014, 19:34
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
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Originally Posted by CR38
Jimmy Jaz - Reliances were generally "owner finished" and so can vary dramatically in quality. I looked at a very nice Reliance 44 in Deltaville, VA. The joinery was absolutely amazing and the interior layout was very much in the old offshore school; being quite tight considering the overall size of the boat. Unfortunately the asking price at the time was around $190K and was not even close to being reasonable and I couldn't see any path to achieving a "great price' with this seller. I see the price has now come down to $159K and I suspect the owners, who live in Canada are probably ready to cut the cord. Bet someone could get this for $125K - $130K. If all the systems are still functional that might be a good deal. Here is a link to the listing:
1992 Reliance 44 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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thats a beauty !what about the hull constructed of hand-laid fiberglass with a 1-inch balsa core. Is this good/bad ?
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19-01-2014, 20:02
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Back in Northern California working on the Ranch
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Jazz
thats a beauty !what about the hull constructed of hand-laid fiberglass with a 1-inch balsa core. Is this good/bad ?
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They were featured in Frenc Mates book, "From a bare hull". Highly regarded. look on Yachts for sale.com.
They range from mid $40K on up.
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20-01-2014, 08:53
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#64
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Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: OBX, NC
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
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20-01-2014, 09:09
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Location: Hailing Minny, MN
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
The Monsun was very high up on my list when I was looking. I thought it was far and away the best bang for the buck in that range. The deal-breaker for me was the 5'9" headroom (according to the HR website). I'm 6'1" and I really wanted the luxury to be able to stand up inside. FWIW.
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20-01-2014, 09:51
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
The problem with boats of this age is that their value is more highly correlated with their condition than their pedigree.
So it really depends more on what's wrong with it than the reputation of the manufacturer, and statements like "You could score this boat for this price are essentially meaningless."
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20-01-2014, 15:29
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
Letsget - I believe your premise regarding the value of these boats being based on their condition and not the "brand" is only half correct. That is because if not for the original quality of construction (and thus the reputation of the manufacturer) these boats would not have have received the investment and care required to allow them to remain viable for consideration.
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20-01-2014, 15:51
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
Laika - according to HR the headroom of a Monsun 31' main cabin is 6'0". The headroom in the head (no pun intended) is 5'9". Go to the following link and scroll down to the "accommodation" section for confirmation:
Monsun
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20-01-2014, 16:19
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
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Originally Posted by CR38
Letsget - I believe your premise regarding the value of these boats being based on their condition and not the "brand" is only half correct. That is because if not for the original quality of construction (and thus the reputation of the manufacturer) these boats would not have have received the investment and care required to allow them to remain viable for consideration.
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I don't think that because a boat came from a quality manufacturer that you can assume the maintenance was kept up.
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20-01-2014, 16:40
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
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Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3
I don't think that because a boat came from a quality manufacturer that you can assume the maintenance was kept up.
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I agree but that's not my point. What I am saying is that if it didn't at least start as a quality boat then it certainly won't be one now. It is absolutely critical to emphasize both original quality of design and construction COMBINED WITH condition as a measure of value in one's search for a great boat at a great price.
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20-01-2014, 17:02
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Location: Vancouver, BC
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
I see the ad says no dickering on price though and with the boat not touched in 2 years... Hmm... I like that the ad specifies the work needed. If only all listings would include the "to-do" list.
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04-02-2014, 10:19
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#72
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Location: OBX, NC
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
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04-02-2014, 11:14
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Location: OBX, NC
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
You could probably get it shipped to the East Coast for about $7500. Depending on final price it might still be worth it!
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04-02-2014, 11:32
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Location: Kingston, ON
Boat: Albin Vega 27'
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Re: Great Boats at Great Prices?
I hope it's not one of the impounded boats in Mexico.
but it is a really nice boat.
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