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Old 31-12-2013, 08:19   #31
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You have a decent boat - what is the purpose of your post?

And by "production boat" do you mean "white plastic boat", which translates bolted-on keel and spade rudder to me? People shouldn't cruise in white plastic boats, period. Ok, so look at the success of MarkJ, you say. MarkJ is a skilled, financially endowed person, if you will. As I read it, your post asks about people who can't afford an ocean-tolerable boat and don't have the $kills to fix up a classic plastic boat: they shouldn't be cruising. If that sounds harsh then you have never met someone who lost everything because they were trying/hoping to live a dream with inadequate resources - whether it be their own (personally or financially) and/or their equipment.

Go get yourself stuck in a storm for a few days with your nice boat and analyze the stresses on you and your boat and her equipment and then see if you still want to, or can, post about production boat verbage for people without skill $ets.
Horse puckie! First...not all production boats have fin keels and spade rudders. Second..."People shouldn't cruise in white plastic boats, period"? There is a glut of "plastic boats that would take anyone cruising. Here in La Paz I see plastic boats from 25ft. to 36 ft. that probably cost less than $20K. Not my cup of tea but it can still be done. Seeing these boats down here demonstrates to me that you could probably build a raft out of shipping crates, throw it in the water and eventual end up in Mexico. All this "Victory at sea" attitude is over the top. Careful planning and a little knowledge and elbow grease can put most people on the water cruising.
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Old 31-12-2013, 11:57   #33
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There are so many ... and of course we all recommend our own type of boat , because after all its the best. but if you ever consider a Baba 30 message me. We are selling ours after this trip. In Florida now but will be sailing her back up the coast to MD in April

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Baba's are so beautiful... On the pricey side for an older boat but no doubt the quality is outstanding.
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I'm bias of course, but that's a beautiful boat and perfectly outfitted for cruising. Someone is going to get a great boat.
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Yes for sure, many of us know what all those add ons cost and the owner here seems to not have spared any expense. A little wheeling and dealing and someones going to have an excellent go anywhere boat for a good price.
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Re: Good Production Models for Cruising?

When it comes to buying an older boat I think it is wise to pay more attention to the individual boat than the manufacturer. Just as an example, my 1973 Morgan has been mine since 1985 and I've put much care and maintenance into it, replacing and refitting things numerous times over the years. It's given us about 75K easy miles and I expect many more; however, many far newer Morgan OI 41's that I've seen are suffering from neglect and near worthless. Each older boat has a history that can be far more important than the original production.
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And by "production boat" do you mean "white plastic boat", which translates bolted-on keel and spade rudder to me? People shouldn't cruise in white plastic boats, period.
People shouldn't make blanket statements. Period.
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Re: Good Production Models for Cruising?

all generalizations are false including this one.

I sail a plastic jennie - had her out close-hauled against 50 knot winds for close to 27 hours straight. she took it with no problem.

Lots of good plastic boats.
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And what sails were you flying close hauled in 50 knots?
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And what sails were you flying close hauled in 50 knots?
mainsail tight on 3nd reef and jib on 2 reef.

We got beat to death - but the boat didn't have any problems with it
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Horse puckie! First...not all production boats have fin keels and spade rudders. Second..."People shouldn't cruise in white plastic boats, period"? There is a glut of "plastic boats that would take anyone cruising. Here in La Paz I see plastic boats from 25ft. to 36 ft. that probably cost less than $20K. Not my cup of tea but it can still be done. Seeing these boats down here demonstrates to me that you could probably build a raft out of shipping crates, throw it in the water and eventual end up in Mexico. All this "Victory at sea" attitude is over the top. Careful planning and a little knowledge and elbow grease can put most people on the water cruising.
Actually if I remember correctly several people have done some pretty strange things with old plastic jugs rafted together, like crossing the Pacific, just for Sh#*s and giggles of course, but mainly to prove a point.
Not that I'd want to go that route....
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Solo I would make the size range 20-35', so some of the original list would still work but I would add:

FLICKA 20
FALMOUTH CUTTER 22
DANA 24
ORION 27-2
NOR'SEA 27
BRISTOL CHANNEL CUTTER
TRITON (PEARSON)
TRITON (AEROMARINE)
CAL 2-27
CAL 25
CAL 28
CAL 29
CAL 30
ERICSON 27
COLUMBIA 26 MK II
CENTAUR 26 (WESTERLY)

and so on for various of the earlier model 27-30 footers from the makers on my original list. I have to go to work or I would finish the list.

The BCC is probably out of price range but occasionally there is one that is in. Currently there is one in FL for $55k.

Oh yeah, KIRK 36 (AMEL) should have been on original list.
You left off the Albin Vega VEGA 27 (ALBIN) sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com.
But I'm bias and they have been "around" everywhere.
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You left off the Albin Vega VEGA 27 (ALBIN) sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com.
But I'm bias and they have been "around" everywhere.
The Vega was the top off my list for "next boat" unfortunately the stated 5'10'' headroom was slightly optimistic.
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