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Old 14-02-2015, 19:52   #1
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Good alternative to Amel?

I'm thinking about buying a monohull in the 47-55 foot range which is designed with blue water voyaging in mind. I've looked at several Amels and there is a lot to recommend them, but I don't like the center cockpit arrangement with the wheel against the bulkhead. What would be a good alternative to Amel for this type of boat?
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Old 14-02-2015, 23:17   #2
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I like the Tayana 55 in that range. Very solid boat. Only knock on it (and its a personal taste issue) is it has a straight galley on the starboard side. Meaning your constantly walking through the galley to access the stern cabin and engine room.

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Old 15-02-2015, 07:49   #3
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I considered Tayana as well as HR, Oyster, OVNI, Garcia etc etc. I've seen quite a few Tayanas with visible water marks on the interior surfaces... expect to spend 50K plus if you need a new deck.

(Some Tayana owners are in "Another world".. there is a CC 52 named Polar Bear which has been for sale for 5 years. Was 250K now 265K... NUTS!)

I understand your point but the helm is better protected in Amels than any other vessel in its class. We liked the hard dodger feature very much when we broad reached for 3 days in 45 knot Meltemis. (No water in my beer) Also, while cruising, the AP will do 99% of the driving unless you are a masochist. :big grin:

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Re: Good alternative to Amel?

John Neal of Mahina Expeditions has a good list of capable bluewater boats at the end of this link
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I'm thinking about buying a monohull in the 47-55 foot range which is designed with blue water voyaging in mind. I've looked at several Amels and there is a lot to recommend them, but I don't like the center cockpit arrangement with the wheel against the bulkhead. What would be a good alternative to Amel for this type of boat?
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Re: Good alternative to Amel?

Have a look at the Hylas 46 or 49. I looked at the Tayana 48 but the Hylas had a much better layout for me.


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I'm thinking about buying a monohull in the 47-55 foot range which is designed with blue water voyaging in mind. I've looked at several Amels and there is a lot to recommend them, but I don't like the center cockpit arrangement with the wheel against the bulkhead. What would be a good alternative to Amel for this type of boat?
I really like the Amels.

But here is another that is interesting for some similar style and length.

Outbound 52



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The mizzen looks close in size to the main. What are the areas of those sails?
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I really like the Amels.

But here is another that is interesting for some similar style and length.

Outbound 52



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Hi SH, another one worthy of drool. In concept, both of these boats are close to Amel 55. The OP suggested a Tayana 52-55... this indicates to me that LIKE ME, he's another poor schmuck...

If I'm not careful, I will die of hunger with some overpriced toys in my possession.
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Re: Good alternative to Amel?

Completely overlooked another option. Its on the lower end of your size range, but what about a Bristol 47.7?

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Hi SH, another one worthy of drool. In concept, both of these boats are close to Amel 55. The OP suggested a Tayana 52-55... this indicates to me that LIKE ME, he's another poor schmuck...

If I'm not careful, I will die of hunger with some overpriced toys in my possession.


I have been on a new Tayana 55 and and thought it was a very nice looking boat too, and what I remember most was LOTS of wood in the interior. But, for me the Amel boat has something different about it that I find appealing and sensible.

The OP mentioned the seated wheel position (on the forward bulkhead of the cockpit). At first I thought that looked odd. But, after considering the times when I would want to use it, it makes sense and to be UNDER the hard dodger makes sense.

As you pointed out, most cruising will be done using an autopilot, so the time "at" the wheel is minimal on most voyages.

When would I WANT to be at the wheel (actually using it)?
Aside from docking, maneuvering in close quarters, or encountering vessel traffic, the other time would be in challenging conditions such as a storm or high winds or limited visibility, etc. During those times I would not want to depend on an autopilot to do the piloting. During those times, it is also likely that the helmsman would be MORE comfortable and alert IF they are protected from spray, rain, cold wind, etc. That is, UNDER the hard dodger, NOT in an exposed position in a cockpit. So, the Amel design (wheel on the bulkhead and UNDER the hard dodger) seems IDEAL to me for those circumstances.

So, what seemed "odd" at first, after much thought on it, seems "ideal" now.

I see this as an example of how considering a "different" design from the aspects of WHY it was designed that way and then matching that to real experience (I have spent stormy nights on watch alone in a cockpit) makes a lot of sense, at least it does to me.
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I've owned sloop and ketch rigs. In my opinion, a ketch rig offers much more versatility. An Amel is on my bucket list!
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I'm thinking about buying a monohull in the 47-55 foot range which is designed with blue water voyaging in mind. I've looked at several Amels and there is a lot to recommend them, but I don't like the center cockpit arrangement with the wheel against the bulkhead. What would be a good alternative to Amel for this type of boat?
It really depends on what you find the characteristic of the Amel. Its features: centre cockpit, ketchrigged and set up for offshore cruising.
In the size you looking there are many candidates, although ketches and yawls have been out of fashion since furlers have become commonplace. If the offshore set up is what you like best here are a few options:
Contests in the 40 plus range, Bowmans, Some older Oysters are beautiful and there are quite a few in that bracket, Hallberg Rassy, Malo, Najad and there are some great cruisers from the US like Morgan, Cabo Rico, Mason and quite some more. Check out the seconds hand sites in US and you will see the brands. Nordia from Holland (steel). From the 60 and 70ties, big Nicholsons, van der Stadt Gallant 53 (rare) and check out Ocean 60 for sale in the Carieb for around Eur 170k. Have fun searching.
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Here is a thought for you...

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