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Old 29-08-2014, 18:27   #1
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We have look at several new boats that we like but they all have fin keels. Our Columbia has a full keel which I like better. Do any boat manufacturers still produce full keels?
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Old 29-08-2014, 18:40   #3
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Amel, possibly still some Halberg Rassey.

Seems like you're talking about a cutaway forefoot, rather than a full keel......?

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Re: Full keel boats

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Seems like you're talking about a cutaway forefoot, rather than a full keel......?

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Yes, I'll second this observation. The old Tahiti Ketches had full keels that came down straight from the stem with a curve to reach a uniform draft to the contiguous rudder. The Columbia mentioned and the Island Packet, my own Morgan, and most others that people call "full keel" boats are not. They all have a cut-away forefoot and some don't extend the keel to the rudder.

Back to the question,- Few manufacturers are making longer keels that are contiguous with the rudder. Most have recognized an advantage with maneuverabiltiy and performance by having a "cut-away" aft of the keel too.
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Amel, possibly still some Halberg Rassey.

Seems like you're talking about a cutaway forefoot, rather than a full keel......?

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Ann, Amels are fin keeled (both 55 and 64) with full skeg rudders.
The same for all HR built now.

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Re: Full keel boats

HR used to build a wooden boat if you really wanted one. It wood have a full keel.
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Could probably get a Cape George built to order.
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Ann, Amels are fin keeled (both 55 and 64) with full skeg rudders.
The same for all HR built now.

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Thanks for the correction Tomasz. I thought they were cutaway forefoots. They are certainly not skinny fin with a bulb sorts of keels.

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Re: Full keel boats

When I was sailing through tsunami debris in the Indian Ocean after the global tsunami, I wished that I was in my full keel Westsail 32. If we sailed over a giant partially submerged or floating log at night or twilight, a full keel would have protected the attached rudder probably with no damage. On my catamaran, if we had hit a log, there would have been serious damage to one or two rudders. That's why I hove too at night. I did not want to risk my rudders since they were balanced and unprotected.

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Keel-protected rudders (and propellers) on a motorboat have advantages too.

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Thanks for the correction Tomasz. I thought they were cutaway forefoots. They are certainly not skinny fin with a bulb sorts of keels.

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Surely they are more sturdy than many

Here are examples from current production line:

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The Cabo Rico, just like the Island Packet, and my Morgan, has a cut-away forefoot. They all provide great protection for the prop and rudder and they do present a gentle profile when grounding or striking a floundering object in the water. The Westsail mentioned above does have the full keel with the same curve extending down from the the stem to the bottom of the keel.

I know words and terms evolve over time. Maybe in more modern communication among boat designers the definition of a "full keel" has changed, but I'm stuck in the past.
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