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Old 29-10-2013, 15:51   #16
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Re: Forstay placement... Why?

Yes, the anchor roller was added, but I find lots of pictures of this boat with the forestay back like on yours. I think it is the original attachment point.

BTW, you never said if that was a slot in the roller. If so, perhaps a forestay did go there. Is there evidence of a chainplate on the bow?

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Re: Forstay placement... Why?

Oh for Pete's sake! You folks who insist that the boat was modified need to do a little homework before piping up. All you have to do is do a Google Image search on "folkboat" to see that they are invariably rigged that way, regardless of the builder. It was fairly common on other fine-bowed designs as well. I sit here looking at a painting of two 1930s J-boats crossing tacks on my office wall and note that both of them have their forestays set well back from the stemhead.

I suspect that -- regardless of rig balance considerations -- it may be structurally stronger on a boat with a fine bow to tie the fitting into a bulkhead set back a bit from the stemhead.
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Yes, the anchor roller was added, but I find lots of pictures of this boat with the forestay back like on yours. I think it is the original attachment point.

BTW, you never said if that was a slot in the roller. If so, perhaps a forestay did go there. Is there evidence of a chainplate on the bow?

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No mark there's no evidence and yes the roller was added. Regardless I will keep it as is, works for me!
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Old 29-10-2013, 16:30   #19
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Oh for Pete's sake! You folks who insist that the boat was modified need to do a little homework before piping up. All you have to do is do a Google Image search on "folkboat" to see that they are invariably rigged that way, regardless of the builder. It was fairly common on other fine-bowed designs as well. I sit here looking at a painting of two 1930s J-boats crossing tacks on my office wall and note that both of them have their forestays set well back from the stemhead.

I suspect that -- regardless of rig balance considerations -- it may be structurally stronger on a boat with a fine bow to tie the fitting into a bulkhead set back a bit from the stemhead.
Maybe your right? However the folkboats I've seen rigged this way all hade a fractional rig, mine is mast head rig?
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Maybe your right? However the folkboats I've seen rigged this way all hade a fractional rig, mine is mast head rig?
Aha! Then THAT is likely the modification, not the location of the forestay attachment on deck. Every folkboat I've seen -- either live or in a picture -- had a fractional rig. Even the Wikipedia article on the folkboat describes it having a fractional rig as a defining characteristic.
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Re: Forstay placement... Why?

I agree this is a structural thing common to older fine bowed boats. It is much easier and stronger to run the forces from the head stay down to a strong point often with a bulkhead tie in.
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The Contessa, which is a Folkboat derivative , has the forestay set back, and is a masthead rig. Also, to answer your earlier question. Even with a big hunk of chain in the bow, and a vane on the back, it almost never hobby horsed. _____Grant.
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The Contessa, which is a Folkboat derivative , has the forestay set back, and is a masthead rig. Also, to answer your earlier question. Even with a big hunk of chain in the bow, and a vane on the back, it almost never hobby horsed. _____Grant.
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She's a 1964 whitby continental 25ft...
If it's a Whitby Continental 25 it was probably built as a masthead rig with the forestay attachment at the bow.

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Re: Forstay Placement... Why?

Paul K, you designed a 40 foot radius chine boat for me back in the late 70s. Of course I ran out of money and never did get it built. I bought a fixer steel boat and went cruising again. Did anyone else ever build that design? Glad to see you are still in yachting.________ Grant Jordan.
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If it's a Whitby Continental 25 it was probably built as a masthead rig with the forestay attachment at the bow.

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In appearance it's the same model as this, however it's an earlier one and has a few notable differences in built when compared....
This is also true of my hinterheoller hr28 witch has a skeg rudder and deck bridge, I've seen no other built this way...
However I do believe the front stay was changed on my folk.... This boat was a livabaord in the Bahamas so many changes could have been....
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Paul K, you designed a 40 foot radius chine boat for me back in the late 70s.
Grant: good to hear from you. I remember your boat, and no, one was never built. In retrospect it was a design that could have had wide appeal. After your project I designed some ocean going power boats that were built by Knight & Carver and a few sailboats, then got back into racing sailboats working for Nelson/Marek and later Reichel/Pugh. Now my sailboat design work is purely recreational, giving me an opportunity to develop and refine a non-conforming minimalist approach to sailing yacht design.
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Re: Forstay Placement... Why?

The Folkboat's jib is relatively small compared to its mainsail (it's not a masthead rig). The designer wanted the boat longer than it would be if the jib stay was located at the end of the bow given the sailplan.
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