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Old 12-11-2016, 14:22   #106
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While it's true that this thread is titled flush deck several raised deck boats have been included. Pilot houses & raised decks are not mutually exclusive. Actually it's common for raised deck boats to have pilot houses although it is true that they are typically motor cruisers. The Gatsby ketch pictured above is an example of a raised deck motorsailer, a boat I have lusted after for a while now. So many boats, so little dock space.
Thanks a lot Scout. I think I just wet myself.
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Here's some pics taken pre bottom job.

btw - there's a motorsailer version of the Scout 30 here: For Sale: 1981 Scout Fairchild 30' Fiberglass Raised Deck Cruiser - Trawler Forum
Thanks for posting that and the pics of your boat. I've seen a picture of this boat before but not the listing. I think if I was going to add a sailing rig it would have to have a low aspect wooden mast & be gaff rigged. I used to have a picture of a 20's sword fishing boat that looked like a Scout but with a really long bowsprit for harpooning & a gaff rig with a crows nest at the top of the mast. Too cool! In terms of how seaworthy they are I can attest that they are quite capable coastal cruisers.
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Old 12-11-2016, 16:17   #108
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I remember seeing a boat (unfinished) that was listed on Craigs List in Florida, that was sitting in a driveway of a house. It looked like a raised deck (FD) motor cruiser at first, as the photo shows a bow that looked similar to the Scout 30. It was made of wood (plywood I think). With a wood pilothouse.

When I looked at more photos of it (still unfinished), there was a drawing or plan that showed it to be a motorsailor.

I don't have a link, I don't know if it is sold, and I don't know the designer. But, it resembled a Scout 30 (as I recall the images) but with a sail rig.

Perhaps you saw it too, when you surfed boats in Florida listings. ??
If it's the one I remember it was a cold molded boat raised deck boat but not really a reproduction of a 20's motor cruiser. But very neat none the less. Here's a picture of the only black hulled Scout 30 I know of. It has since been sold & painted white but I loved the look of the black hull.
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Old 12-11-2016, 16:30   #109
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Since we're including motor cruisers I though I'd add some photos of Grayling, one of the more famous boats up in Maine. This was a sardine carrier restored & converted to pleasure by Doug Hylan. I went on her at the WoodenBoat Show up in Mystic years ago & she is magnificent!

GRAYLING | D. N. Hylan & Associates Boatbuilders – Brooklin, Maine – Building and Restoring Classic Wooden Boats
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Old 12-11-2016, 19:53   #110
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What? Did you want them functional besides beautiful? They were designed by some top design firm that doesn't know much about sailing but certainly can make a modern very nice looking interior.
Until they can figure out the proper way to design the interior of a sailboat they should stick to houses.
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Hope Mark doesn't mind me re-posting this shot of one of the original Defenders doing what she was born for.. racing on the SF Bay!
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Until they can figure out the proper way to design the interior of a sailboat they should stick to houses.
Yes. that is quite a problem. From a decade back or so the big manufacturers understood that the interior boat design was an entirely different ball park than the boat design itself and started to have specialist designing those interiors.

The result was awesome in design quality, innovation and living comfort. Unfortunately many of those designers had no sailing experience and tended to treat the interior as a living interior of that side without considering that the interior would also be used with the boat moving.

To be true, most of the boats interiors are not used much while sailing, being most use of boats a costal one and those interiors will be used mostly with the boat on anchor or at a marina, but that is off course a problem for boats that make several days passages.

There are some very specialized cabinets that are very good on designing boat interior, having sailors and even NAs working there but they have lots of work and are expensive so it is a lot cheaper to hand the job to a good design cabinet without a particular experience on the field and that's probably the case.

Note also that as on boat interior design, like on boat design generally, what is optimal for an use is nor for other and design is about compromises, so if it is known that the interior of a boat will be used mostly at a marina or at anchor, an optimum interior will be very different than the one that will be used mostly while sailing in passage.

An interior designed to an optimal use on anchor or at a marina does not mean that the boat does not sail a lot, it means that it will be used costally and that during the day the crew prefere to live outside. That's by far what is more common among most cruisers and boat uses and that explains why most boat interiors have that into consideration.

Some of my favorite specialized design interiors. The First one is a NA, the other a big firm with people with different backgrounds including NA.
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CAL Flush Deck Boats

CAL 24-2

24'

1967 CAL 24-2 sailboat (also called CAL 2-24 or CAL 24 Mk II) is a Jensen Marine C.W. Lapworth designed strong fiberglass hull fractional sloop. Fin keel with spade rudder designed for racing. Lots of room for a 24' boat to race. Or, use it to hang your hat in the large 7+ foot v-berth. There's a seperate head with porta-potty. You will need an outboard motor.
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There are several CAL designs that have a Flush Deck, including the CAL 20, CAL 24-2, CAL 25, and CAL 28.

I will post a MIX of photos and drawings below to show the similar FD feature on these boats.
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I am not familiar with them, and see you have one. Please take a few minutes to post some photos, specs, drawings, and anecdotes or opinion or observations about them. I hope you and other owners will make the effort to share what you know about your own boats.
i actually have the pop to version, although i wish it was the t2. i will post some pics for you.


this is the cal 28.







CAL 28 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com

it was replaced by my boat, the cal 27 pop top.



CAL 27 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com

after this boat was released, another version of it, the t2, was released. the t2 did away with the pop top and added a flush deck. both boats were in production until 1974, when the cal 27 was completely redesigned as the cal 2-27.

this is the t2:







CAL T/2 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com


one note. people don't tend to realize it, but the three cal 27s are completely different boats and not just upgrades of the same hull/boat. this site explains that well:

The three Cal 27's, all different designs



personally, i love the cal 27 pop top/t2 interior layout but, i think the cal 28 is beautiful, well laid out, and i like he keel better as it is stronger, in case you do take take the ground by accident. i would love to have one.
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FIRST WIND,

Good post!

Thanks for posting the multiple photos and your text about the differences in models.

If you can find some good photos showing an interior of any of those boats, to show cruisers what they look like inside (for possible cruising), please post some of those too.
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Since interiors have become a topic I thought I'd post a pic of Grayling's fish hold after Doug Hylan got through with it.
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FIRST WIND,

Good post!

Thanks for posting the multiple photos and your text about the differences in models.

If you can find some good photos showing an interior of any of those boats, to show cruisers what they look like inside (for possible cruising), please post some of those too.
sure. will do.
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POLUX,

I agree with what much of what you wrote about the design of interiors for a different boat use and appreciate you took the time to write such length on this issue.
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Since interiors have become a topic I thought I'd post a pic of Grayling's fish hold after Doug Hylan got through with it.
Nice interior!

Flush Deck Interior Photos ARE Appropriate

I do think some photos of the interior of Flush Deck boats is appropriate, especially if those photos show the Saloon/Salon WIDTH and HEADROOM as those are some of the reasons why FD boats are preferred by some sailors including those who sail small boats (24ft) up to large boats like the Dashew's BEOWULF (78').
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Since we're including motor cruisers I though I'd add some photos of Grayling, one of the more famous boats up in Maine. This was a sardine carrier restored & converted to pleasure by Doug Hylan. I went on her at the WoodenBoat Show up in Mystic years ago & she is magnificent!

GRAYLING | D. N. Hylan & Associates Boatbuilders Brooklin, Maine Building and Restoring Classic Wooden Boats
What a boat!
Check out that sharp canoe stern!

And as the photo you posted of the saloon (converted from cargo hold) looks great.
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