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Old 04-03-2015, 17:52   #1
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Finally Sailing

I managed to sell my powerboat last July, which I owned for 8 years.

Then after searching for about 9 months (not counting the previous 2 years of dreaming when my boat wasn't sold yet) I finally brought home a new to me C&C 41. The previous owner absolutely loved her and had lovingly cared for her. I could tell it was difficult for him to let go of it.

The delivery home was about 45nm we had to get done in the daylight and the light winds didn't allow much sailing but we had a couple stretches where we managed to turn off the engine - highlights of the trip and she sure likes to sail upwind.

I am a relative noob to sailing but hope this is the start of something.

Russ
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I hope it comes with the right anchor. :big grin:

You'll find the wind doesn't cost as much as diesel fuel but is less cooperative!

Fair winds
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Old 04-03-2015, 18:03   #3
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Congratulations. She looks like a fine boat (can't say I'm mad keen on the boom cover though, lol).
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I hope it comes with the right anchor. :big grin:



You'll find the wind doesn't cost as much as diesel fuel but is less cooperative!



Fair winds

I might be too dense to catch all your meaning.

It does have a nice stainless 20kg Bruce and windlass.

Please enlighten me.


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Congratulations. She looks like a fine boat (can't say I'm mad keen on the boom cover though, lol).

Yah I have to agree - rather it just be the blue like the Bimini color


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Old 04-03-2015, 18:21   #6
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Re: Finally Sailing

Congrats on the new boat! Running backstays - Yikes! (I am a lazy bastard at heart)

And we are picky ones aren't we? The boom bag matches the bootstripe. It's the bimini that's off, as is the dodger and dinghy cover - LOL... Don't listen to 'em Kabbal - It's your baby and she's a beaut!

Oh - and the shore power on your side of the dock is messed up in case you didn't know - LOL...
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Old 04-03-2015, 18:27   #7
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Congrats on the new boat! Running backstays - Yikes! (I am a lazy bastard at heart)
The backstay looks pretty substantial (although it is dificult to tell from the photo's resolution) It looks, to me, as though the running backstays are for a bit of tuning and to stop pump in a blow, rather than the primary support stays.
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The backstay looks pretty substantial (although it is dificult to tell from the photo's resolution) It looks, to me, as though the running backstays are for a bit of tuning and to stop pump in a blow, rather than the primary support stays.

I believe you are correct - an instructor called them check stats and were for tuning and generally overkill he thought.

We tuned them just to stay out of the way of the boom.

As I learn more I may decide what to do with them.

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I believe you are correct - an instructor called them check stats and were for tuning and generally overkill he thought.

We tuned them just to stay out of the way of the boom.

As I learn more I may decide what to do with them.

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Running backstays on a fractionally rigged boat are very much "structural" in that they provide the primary resistance to the forestay (and forward) loads on the mast... basically they stop the mast from moving forwards. In fractional rigged boats with running backstays, the masthead backstay is more for tuning the mast shape (bending the mast to "twist-off" (i.e. de-power) the mainsail.

On a masthead rigged boat the masthead backstay provides the primary resistance to the forestay (and forward) loads. The running backstays are usually just for additional support of the mast in heavy conditions or, if the boat has an inner-forestay, to oppose the loads on the inner forestay and staysail
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Running backstays on a fractionally rigged boat are very much "structural" in that they provide the primary resistance to the forestay (and forward) loads on the mast... basically they stop the mast from moving forwards. In fractional rigged boats with running backstays, the masthead backstay is more for tuning the mast shape (bending the mast to "twist-off" (i.e. de-power) the mainsail.

On a masthead rigged boat the masthead backstay provides the primary resistance to the forestay (and forward) loads. The running backstays are usually just for additional support of the mast in heavy conditions or, if the boat has an inner-forestay, to oppose the loads on the inner forestay and staysail
Like I said - Running backstays - Yikes! (I am a lazy b@st@rd - and a simpleton...)

All I know is someone put them on there for a purpose. So...

- Ya gotta learn ta use 'em - or
- Learn to ignore 'em - or
- Dig deep in your soul and take 'em off
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Re: Finally Sailing

Kabball,

If the PO used them when you were sailing on the wind, continue to use them in the same circumstances. Failure to do so may jeopardize the rig, and that's very expensive. Or get someone local and knowledgeable, like a rigger you have trustable referrals to, to give you an opinion. I'm thinking you may have got a bit of a hotshot boat, and she's going to need for you to learn how best to use them.

I would not at all recommend removing them without a good quality opinion that it was okay to do so. ......But, of course, it's your dollar!

I'm actually having a little trouble with the picture. Does she have an inner forestay and those are running backs? or are they checkstays?

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Re: Finally Sailing

I did a quick google search and found this:
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2656

It seems to indicate that the boat is a masthead rig, with running backstays and checkstays...

It looks to me that the checkstays oppose a baby-stay and the running backstays merely provide additional support for the mast over and above the (primary) backstay.

If it were me, I'd be happy using the main backstay in lighter breezes but I'd use the running backstays and checkstays in heavier winds, maybe in over 20 knots of breeze.

Caveat: I'm merely an enthusiastic, bungling amateur. My opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it, which is around 2 nickels less than a dime...
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Kabball,

If the PO used them when you were sailing on the wind, continue to use them in the same circumstances. Failure to do so may jeopardize the rig, and that's very expensive. Or get someone local and knowledgeable, like a rigger you have trustable referrals to, to give you an opinion. I'm thinking you may have got a bit of a hotshot boat, and she's going to need for you to learn how best to use them.

I would not at all recommend removing them without a good quality opinion that it was okay to do so. ......But, of course, it's your dollar!

I'm actually having a little trouble with the picture. Does she have an inner forestay and those are running backs? or are they checkstays?

Ann

Ann,

The instructor referred to them as check stays and we tuned them to make way for the boom. It was described to me for fine tuning but not necessary. But I won't be rushing to change anything on the boat until I know it very well and have gotten good advice to boot.

It does have a spot to set up an inner forestay but there isn't one atm.

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Re: Finally Sailing

The running backs are there to stabilize the most if you have a staysail and/or to support the mast in heavy conditions. They probably aren't needed for most sailing conditions. It looks to have been a pretty serious racing set up and some have really limp noodle masts that need additional support so would get advice on how important and when to use the running backs. When you use them, shouldn't be a big issue as you can tack the boat without unmaking them and reset them at your leisure as the boom is so short .

Pretty boat. C&C has a reputation for designing sweet boats and yours like its been maintained in Bristol Fashion.
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