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Old 12-10-2013, 16:11   #16
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

Set the sails and and off you go to where ever you wish, Great Barrier Reef, South Pacific, it's your choice. This boat, which was only built in 2009 and has quality stamped all over it and is ready to go, right now. For motoring there is a 50hp Nanni diesel motor that has less than 150 hours use and 1000 litre capacity stainless steel fuel tank and for sailing there is a self furling headsail and a mainsail which are as new. With plenty of accommodation and a great galley and excellent navigation equipment, you will really impress your friends and family.

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40 Roberts MPMName:
Lilli JeanLocation:
Marks Point NSWRegion:
New South WalesYear:
2009Designer:
RobertsLength:
40' - 12.19mBeam:
12'9"Draft:
5'3isplacement:
11,000 kgsKeel / Ballast:
Full KeelHull Material:
Fibreglass over SteelDeck Material:
Fibreglass over steel
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Old 12-10-2013, 16:14   #17
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

12'9 draft.......are you sure it is not a submarine............
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Old 12-10-2013, 16:16   #18
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Draft:
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Old 12-10-2013, 16:19   #19
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

it's the 11000 kgs of ballast that would really worry me.............on a 40 ft boat,and the 12.19m beam..............
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Old 12-10-2013, 17:14   #20
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

Something wrong with the listing !
22 , 000 pounds of ballast ?
12 foot draft ?
Probably epoxy coat over steel hull !
Plenty Roberts 40s out there !
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Old 12-10-2013, 17:23   #21
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

Be very careful..... Roberts is a well know designer, not a builder. Most Roberts were built in barns or fields from plans. Many were built by people who had "the dream" and absolutely no knowledge of steel boats.
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

It looks like the lines just got jumbled I think it should read

40 Roberts MPM
Name:Lilli Jean
Location:Marks Point NSW
Region:New South Wales
Year:2009
Designer:Roberts
Length:40' - 12.19m
Beam:12'9"
Draft:5'3
displacement:11,000 kgs
Keel / Ballast:Full Keel
Hull Material:Fibreglass over Steel
Deck Material:Fibreglass over steel
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Old 12-10-2013, 18:12   #23
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

by fiberglass over steel,perhaps it is built like a ferrocement boat,where the fiberglass is layed over a steel and chickenwire core......saw this once with a bruce roberts

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40 Roberts MPM
Name:Lilli Jean
Location:Marks Point NSW
Region:New South Wales
Year:2009
Designer:Roberts
Length:40' - 12.19m
Beam:12'9"
Draft:5'3
displacement:11,000 kgs
Keel / Ballast:Full Keel
Hull Material:Fibreglass over Steel
Deck Material:Fibreglass over steel
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Old 12-10-2013, 18:14   #24
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

So, most of those numbers are pretty much standard Roberts design.

The interesting and rather disturbing thing is the hull and deck construction... just what the hell is "fiberglass over steel"? Until that is answered in detail, this boat is indeed a run away from craft. The Roberst designs are pretty conventional and can be successfully homebuilt. It is where well meaning amateur NAs start modifying the design that worries start creeping in, and this sounds very much like just such a situation.

Anyone considering this vessel should be VERY careful to understand the construction methods and materials. If you don't have the experience to judge for yourself, hire someone who does... and keep your fingers crossed!

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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

This is the boat I assume Used 40 Roberts 36 Centre Cockpit Steel Sloop for Sale | Yachts For Sale | Yachthub

There is definitely something amiss. It would be worth talking to the broker to confirm that it is Fg/steel. An alternate may be its steel hull with Fg deck over the top.

But steel with glass on it makes me shudder. Words that come to mind are - delamination- water penetration- hidden rust to name a few. Especially at $89k. Aside from a VHF and a windlass it is missing a lot of electronics that may push a price up for a roberts. I guess the boats youth is the only bonus. But at that price you would be able to pick up a good but older 35 foot fg cruiser that will have a decent name..

These are much better boats for the $$$ in my opinion.
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

Just check and see if it is worded wrongly ( should it read Epoxy Painted Steel ) Nobody &)&)&*^*&%87^$^%$45 fibre glasses a steel boat Cheers and LOL Jacko
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

Poor solution. Prone to delamination, due to rust.
Leave it alone.
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

if you are close by , go take a look and splain to us what they meant....pix if possible..
otherwise, i would prolly keep looking.....
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

thanks everyone .ive had this combo confirmed , sounds like its a good one to keep away from. thank you all for your advice on this one ,I thought it sounded strange !
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Re: fiberglass over steel ??

Unlike the rest of you I see nothing wrong with the concept of a layer of glass , or preferably, dynel layed in epoxy over properly prepared steel. Steel depends on a coating to survive in a marine environment which is usually an epoxy of some kind. The advantage of introducing a fabric into the mix would be to allow for a thicker, reinforced protective system than any paint system alone, which would take a lot more of the knocks and scrapes of everyday life. The adhesion of 100% solids epoxy to properly prepared, ie, sandblasted steel is excellent so there is little likelyhood of delam and water getting behind it. I would be more concerned with an overly thick paint system without reinforcement.
Of course it would depend on first class workmanship.
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