Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 27-01-2016, 17:27   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: NorCal
Posts: 38
Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

As I do more research on my first cruising boat, it seems there are fewer used blue waters cruising boats on the West Coast (And I'm aware there's not 100% agreement as to what constitutes a BW boat). But it looks like there are lots of the CataBeneHunter variety of boats available but not many of the Caliber, Island Packet, Pacific Seacraft, Valiant, variety. And I'm not suggesting there are none of these boats, just fewer available. Which means if I buy an east coast boat I've got to add $10K - $20K to have it trucked out here. Does that jibe with others experience? Or am I looking in the wrong places? Are there BW boats that might be more plentiful out here in the west? TIA
__________________

__________________
jimp1234 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2016, 17:59   #2
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2013
Location: Oregon to Alaska
Boat: Wheeler Shipyard 83' ex USCG
Posts: 1,702
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

You might try BC, Canada. I had good luck with Pacific Boat Brokers Inc.
The exchange rate is favorable and while I don't sail anymore I see a lot goes on between Puget Sound and the inland passage.
__________________

__________________
Lepke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2016, 18:04   #3
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: north carolina
Boat: command yachtsdouglas32
Posts: 3,113
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimp1234 View Post
As I do more research on my first cruising boat, it seems there are fewer used blue waters cruising boats on the West Coast (And I'm aware there's not 100% agreement as to what constitutes a BW boat). But it looks like there are lots of the CataBeneHunter variety of boats available but not many of the Caliber, Island Packet, Pacific Seacraft, Valiant, variety. And I'm not suggesting there are none of these boats, just fewer available. Which means if I buy an east coast boat I've got to add $10K - $20K to have it trucked out here. Does that jibe with others experience? Or am I looking in the wrong places? Are there BW boats that might be more plentiful out here in the west? TIA
Lots of them in Mexico and cheap too..
__________________
tropicalescape is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2016, 18:08   #4
Registered User
 
wrwakefield's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Wrangell Island, Alaska
Boat: Nauticat 43
Posts: 861
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

I was following the boat market intensely for two years ending when we bought our current boat in early 2014. What I noticed on the west coast is the listings dropped off from about Nov-Feb, then picked up again.

I had the best success setting my search criteria in Yachtworld. (Their iPad app at that time was superior to their web site...)

I was narrowly focused on Nauticat 40 and 43's (S&S designs) and inspected boat on both coasts until I finally settled on ours in Seattle.

It took 2 full years... Patience is the lesson learned...

Cheers!

Bill


SV Denali Rose
__________________
SV Denali Rose

Short on opinions; focused on research, facts & experience [yours and ours...]
wrwakefield is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2016, 18:27   #5
Registered User
 
Terra Nova's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Marina del Rey, California
Boat: Freya 39 cutter- Terra Nova
Posts: 3,649
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimp1234 View Post
...if I buy an east coast boat I've got to add $10K - $20K to have it trucked out here...
If you are a lazy shopper, it will cost you. Perseverance furthers.
__________________
1st rule of yachting: When a collision is unavoidable, aim for something cheap.
"whatever spare parts you bring, you'll never need"--goboatingnow
"Id rather drown than have computers take over my life."--d design
Terra Nova is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2016, 18:40   #6
Moderator
 
JPA Cate's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 10,682
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

jimp,

Look at is that if you have to pay the shipping, you can afford to offer more for a better specimen on the West Coast. There are all kinds of decent cruising boats capable of world travel that aren't in the familiar-to-Americans name brands. Even some French and other European ones. Almost any boat you buy you will modify somewhat to suit your own needs, even one which has circumnavigated.

Ann
__________________
Ann, with Jim, aboard US s/v Insatiable II, in Oz, very long term cruisers
JPA Cate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2016, 18:56   #7
Senior Cruiser
 
Jim Cate's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 11,454
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

Perhaps this perceived difference is due to Bill Lee having a bigger impact on the buying habits of westcoasters than, say, Laurent Giles or Atkins or other traditional boat designers. Folks on the west coast may have discovered that one can successfully cruise in more modern designs.

Note that I am not choosing sides here, but pointing out reasons that might explain the observation.

Jim
__________________
Jim and Ann s/v Insatiable II , lying Port Cygnet, Tasmania once again
Jim Cate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2016, 19:30   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: So Cal
Boat: Catalina 30
Posts: 943
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

Also an observation (without taking sides)

The older designs: Valiants, Babas, etc... are all getting quite old. So there just may be less of them anyway. (Amazing how many of those boats are Bob Perry designs)

Here in socal, unless one is planning on going off across the Pacific, A Huntabenalina is likely a _better_ boat for the conditions. Light air and usually smooth seas. I can imagine the misery of getting a V40 to Catalina Island in 10kt winds. Well, I imagine I'd turn on the motor. Where a Huntabenalina is an excellent choice for that trip.
__________________
jeepbluetj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2016, 21:15   #9
Senior Cruiser
 
maxingout's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Fort Pierce, Phoenix
Boat: Privilege 39 Catamaran, Exit Only
Posts: 2,606
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

The definition of blue water cruising boat has changed radically in the past thirty years. Heavy displacements are out of favor. I still would like a Westsail 43. I loved my Westsail 32, and it was an awesome blue water boat by my standards. I ended up with a much lighter displacement catamaran for my circumnavigation, and it did a good job for us.

Most of my water sailing">blue water sailing was in the low latitudes in the trade winds, and light displacement worked well for me. If I was going to be a high latitude sailor, I would increase my displacement significantly in my personal definition of what blue water means to me.

It's a personal thing.
__________________
Dave -Sailing Vessel Exit Only

http://SailingUNI.com
http://maxingout.com
http://PositiveThinkingSailor.com
maxingout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2016, 21:16   #10
Registered User
 
muttskie's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: San Francisco Bay
Boat: Kadey Krogen 39
Posts: 180
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

There is a 1990 Pacific Seacraft 34 just listed in the Pacific Seacraft forum over on sail dot net. It is in the Sea of Cortez.
__________________
Bill Petras
Kadey Krogen 39
Little Fish
muttskie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2016, 00:30   #11
Registered User
 
Island Time O25's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 2,019
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

I was once at an auction of Swan 47 where one of the bidders was a Greek skipper living in the Caribbean. He was scoffing at the bids' progression muttering that in Caribbean he could have gotten such a boat for a fraction of the eventual highest bid. He explained that on the islands there are plenty of blue water boats (many not in a Bristol shape to be sure) for a fraction of their worth due to owners cruising or circumnavigation dreams going awry for a bunch of reasons. Same goes for Hawaii.
__________________
Island Time O25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2016, 00:47   #12
Moderator
 
JPA Cate's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 10,682
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

^^^

Such stories have been around a long time. Many times there are hitches, like the boat's been abandoned for a year or two, and lots has deteriorated. I would say it takes someone knowledgeable to take advantage of such opportunities, not newbies. The newbies would have a costly learning experience, to put it kindly.

a.
__________________
Ann, with Jim, aboard US s/v Insatiable II, in Oz, very long term cruisers
JPA Cate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2016, 01:07   #13
Registered User
 
Island Time O25's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 2,019
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ann T. Cate View Post
^^^

Such stories have been around a long time. Many times there are hitches, like the boat's been abandoned for a year or two, and lots has deteriorated. I would say it takes someone knowledgeable to take advantage of such opportunities, not newbies. The newbies would have a costly learning experience, to put it kindly.

a.
True that. But if the OP is limited to a particular model there may be no other choice unless he can wait years for that "perfect one". And even then there are no guarantees.

That's why in all of my boat searches although I had a rough idea what kind of a boat I wanted, or rather what kind of a boat I did not want for sure, I was open to many makes and possibilities. And sure enough opportunities always presented themselves. As a result never had to travel more than 100mi for a look and most were within 1hr drive from me. Living in the middle of the active sailing area helps a lot I guess.
__________________
Island Time O25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2016, 09:39   #14
Registered User
 
Scaramanga F25's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 466
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

Perhaps the general definition of a " Bluewater Boat "" has evolved with the advancements in materials and yacht design.
__________________
Scaramanga F25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2016, 09:42   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Oakland CA
Boat: Morgan 46 ketch
Posts: 240
Re: Fewer used BW cruising boats on the west coast?

Just by sheer numbers, I think there are more boats of all types, within 50 miles of Miami than on the entire west coast. But we found our Florida-built Morgan heavy displacement (read, lots of carrying capacity) in Southern Cal.
I agree that if you have time you should look at Mexico, Panama, etc. It may pay to investigate if there is still an advantageous tax situation if you buy and keep the boat out of US for 6 months.
__________________

__________________
waterman46 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cruising, west coast

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
West Coast Circumnavigator Boats vancouver25 General Sailing Forum 12 15-11-2015 02:28
Will I Lose Fewer Hats on a Multi? RichandHelen Multihull Sailboats 18 12-11-2013 00:19
Wider Girths Mean Fewer Boat Passengers keyspc Provisioning: Food & Drink 12 12-01-2012 14:11
So are there fewer boats out on the water this year sailorchic34 Our Community 15 02-07-2011 12:17
Fewer Barnacles on My Anchor Rode ? Hillbillyfunk Liveaboard's Forum 4 06-06-2010 21:47



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 22:32.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.