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Old 20-04-2014, 11:20   #16
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Could i get your guys opinion on the seaworthiness of the newer production boats; beneteau, catalina etc... What i mean is would any of you feel comfortable sailing through a storm? and not worrying about dying.
Oh dear God. NOW you've gone and done it. Where's the nearest bomb shelter?

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Old 20-04-2014, 11:34   #17
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Oh dear God. NOW you've gone and done it. Where's the nearest bomb shelter?

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Oh crap! LOL

I'd still like an answer to the question though...
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Old 20-04-2014, 11:58   #18
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Oh crap! LOL

I'd still like an answer to the question though...

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Old 20-04-2014, 12:00   #19
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Could i get your guys opinion on the seaworthiness of the newer production boats; beneteau, catalina etc... What i mean is would any of you feel comfortable sailing through a storm? and not worrying about dying.

I guess it depends on the storm, but those are seaworthy boats.
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Old 20-04-2014, 12:02   #20
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Oh crap! LOL

I'd still like an answer to the question though...

There are very few boats that won't take more than you will......let's leave it at that.
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Old 20-04-2014, 12:12   #21
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thanks guy!
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Old 20-04-2014, 12:12   #22
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Most definatly, a 50 year old (give or take a couple of years) Cal 40. A downwind screamer that can still win the Transpac.

Or you could up the ante to a Santa Cruz 50.

Love the Cal 40 but are you saying it can win the Transpac first to finish or on corrected time? If we are talking about cruising first one there is all that counts.
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Re: fast offshore passage maker.

United Airlines has very fast seaworthy craft, they pass right over the sea and about 500 miles an hour!

Maybe this thread is a good place to mention having your boat sail itself for a long ocean passage to your destination. No need to carry food or water.
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Definitely both very nice boats!
Here is a good article on the Cal 40. Mentions the new rudder design.

Cal 40 Sailboat Review
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Here is a good article on the Cal 40. Mentions the new rudder design.

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Thanks im going to read that right now
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Re: fast offshore passage maker.

For distance solo sailing... I would probably still go with a Dashew design. While long and lean, they are also incredibly well thought out and easy to work. Which is decidedly not the case for a lot of 40' cruisers.
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Re: fast offshore passage maker.

All the aforementioned boats/designs are just dogs (including the Dashew designs) compared to a REAL fast and seaworthy design: give me an Open 60 every time. Record 78 days round-the-world, sustained 35 knots plus speed in the Southern Ocean, single handed, etc. :-)

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All the aforementioned boats/designs are just dogs (including the Dashew designs) compared to a REAL fast and seaworthy design: give me an Open 60 every time. Record 78 days round-the-world, sustained 35 knots plus speed in the Southern Ocean, single handed, etc. :-)

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Re: fast offshore passage maker.

Here is a fast boat with a very good pedigree.

While I have not been on this one, I have raced on a sister Santa Cruz 50 in San Francisco Bay and offshore, and can say they are very fast and fun (20+ Knots in downwind legs was fast and fun). Bill Lee (the designer/builder) had a motto of "Fast is Fun" and it fits this boat.

This is not an Open 60. It is obviously an older design. Still fast and a proven winner of many races including getting "first to finish" honor in a Transpac (and that was single handed by a woman sailor too). A proven circumnavigator too, built for the BOC Challenge race. So I think that quailfies it for the "fast + offshore" passage maker criteria you made in your thread topic.

Here is a link to this boat (and it is for sale, but I have NO connections to the seller or owner). I am merely providing this link to illustrate this type of boat that could fit this thread's topic.

1986 . Santa Cruz 50' Custom Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com


And here is the write up on this particular boat:

"This boat was custom built in 1986 for Hal Roth to race single handed around the world in what was then known as the BOC challenge and latter became the “Vendee Globe” around the world race. The boat was sailed in the 1986 BOC race as “Sebago”. For the 1990 BOC race Hal Roth sailed the boat as “American Flag." Before the race he incorporated a water ballast system of 350 gallons giving the boat an additional 3,000 lbs of movable ballast. This modification gave the boat an increase in up wind performance of 3/4 ‘s of a knot. Hal Roth wrote a book called “Chasing the Long Rainbow” which depicted his adventures in racing solo in the BOC race. The boat gained further notoriety when in 1999, a woman by the name of “Anna Stockel” purchased the boat, did a major refit including further modifications such as a taller mast and wheel steering and then very successfully sailed her, single handily to the “First to Finish” honors in the 2000 Trans Pac race. This is the last Santa Cruz 50 built in the United States."
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