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Old 05-11-2009, 06:00   #31
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so just buy a plastic beneteau and a nav computer (no charts) to make markj happy...
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:26   #32
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Thanks for all the advice guys.

I will let you know how this all turns out. It's not even sure we are going to buy a boat, that all depends on some other life issues to be negotiated.

We looked at the Pape a week ago, it has "issues" but seems to be sound in the important ways.

We will look at the schooner on Nov. 14. I was hoping to talk them into a sea trial but they want an agreed upon offer price before taking her out for a spin. That will make things difficult. The schooner, with the Hoyt jib booms and B&R type rig, is sufficiently different that I can't really visualize how she will perform. The words say she was designed for "safe single handed Atlantic crossings" but I dunnno. Words are cheap.

I have a self tacking jib on my 33'er. One night I messed up the track fittings on a long beat. I was fore reaching in a short steep wave set (off Port aux Basque heading for Sydney, NS) and every 7th wave or so the jib would backwind. They were obsolete Schaffer fittings and I could not readily get replacements. So I have since converted to a small Garhauer traveler set up. That way I can snub the jib one way or the other and keep some more control, all from the cockpit.

My concern with the Hoyt is just that situation. In a steep sea, beating, how to keep the sail from backwinding if you pinch too close.
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Old 25-11-2009, 01:50   #33
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Hpeer, Good luck with this one!!! but try a Cat.
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Old 25-11-2009, 05:59   #34
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Well, we just now made an offer on the schooner.

We will see what comes of it.

If there is interest I'll post more once the final deal is sealed.
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Old 25-11-2009, 08:09   #35
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Expert

EX= an unknown quantity.
SPURT= a drip under pressure.
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Old 25-11-2009, 12:04   #36
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Aloha hpeer,
I was just wondering what made you choose the schooner over the sloop? I checked the specifics on each and am just curious.
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Old 25-11-2009, 13:08   #37
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Aloha hpeer,
I was just wondering what made you choose the schooner over the sloop? I checked the specifics on each and am just curious.
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Interesting- I wonder why he picked it too., I'd have avoided that schooner. having an agreed on price before a trial seems kinda creepy.
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Old 25-11-2009, 13:14   #38
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Aluminum dents from a single blow, and it dents from a lesser blow than a comparable fiberglass hull. On a coral reef, aluminum grinds away faster than fiberglass, and is holed quicker. But most aluminum hulls fail from internal corrosion. Steel is tougher, cheaper, and easier to build in simple curves, but becomes obscenely expensive and heavy to build in smooth compound curves. These are the reasons fiberglass boats far, far outnumber metal sailboats. Did you think that 97% of boat buyers were more stupid than you?
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Old 25-11-2009, 15:15   #39
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I hired Ted Brewer to give me some advice.

Money well spent. $300. What a great guy.

Both are decent boats.

If this one fails we can still offer on the other.

I'll go over details if/when we get an accepted offer.
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Old 26-11-2009, 09:15   #40
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First boat reminds me of a mutant Corbin, at 40k more than you can pick a Corbin up for. #2 seems quite nice, though if you're headed for the Chesapeake, you'll be beaching it alright, just 1/2 mile from shore with that draft.
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I do not recommend beaching any boat if it is avoidable. Beware of folks sellers that say a boat is beachable. Any boat can run aground, that does not mean that one should.
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Alu, beachable, pilot house <140 ? ? ?? ????

Such a thing exists? ? ??? ????

Ask Ovni if they can add the pilot house and drop the price. Or Kanter to lift the keel. Then you are home.

The Pape - NONONO.
The Custom - maybe, can you go there and have a look at her?

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After reading just the first page of this thread, I'm going to suggest divorce, and get the boat _you_ want. Now I'll go back and read the remaining 2 pages. Remember, 'boat's n ho's'
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Aluminum dents from a single blow, and it dents from a lesser blow than a comparable fiberglass hull. On a coral reef, aluminum grinds away faster than fiberglass, and is holed quicker. But most aluminum hulls fail from internal corrosion. Steel is tougher, cheaper, and easier to build in simple curves, but becomes obscenely expensive and heavy to build in smooth compound curves. These are the reasons fiberglass boats far, far outnumber metal sailboats. Did you think that 97% of boat buyers were more stupid than you?
Well, do YOU think 97% of boat buyers can afford an alloy boat? Do you think 97% buyers need an alloy boat?

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Speaking as someone who has been personally retrofitting their own boat, which requires the disassembling, cleaning and repair of all components, quite a few of which are aluminum, there is no way on god's green earth that I would ever own an aluminum hulled boat bigger than a canoe. I don't care what anyone says about aluminum and corrosion mitigation techniques, the type and amount of hidden structural corrosion found on the aluminum parts I've disassembled is astounding...and disturbing. And the bad part of an aluminum hull is, you won't know its failing until its actually failing. I believe that I'd rather have a wood hull than an aluminum hull. At least with a wood hull you can tell when its rotting/rotted.
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